bubbles2 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) The Cambian Kits P22 GWR Herring ballast hopper is now avaliable http://cambrianmodels.co.uk/wagon_kits_4mm.html John Isherwood of Cambridge Custom Transfers does transfers for these but these may only be suitable for the early BR black livery. Has anyone built any of these yet? I'm planning on getting several to add to my Dogfish ballast wagons. Edited January 26, 2015 by bubbles2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles2 Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 A short Herring ballast train in 1975........ https://www.flickr.com/photos/23700069@N03/15191880722/in/faves-45603744@N06/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/23700069@N03/15189226921/in/faves-45603744@N06/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 My photos of these are at http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrherringand http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brherring I think only one of them is on WR. A useful little model. Paul Bartlett 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Riley Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I think this wagon is dia P22 not C22. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles2 Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 I think this wagon is dia P22 not C22. Thanks for pointing that out Mike, original post edited, but I'm not sure how to change the title. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Riley Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Thanks for pointing that out Mike, original post edited, but I'm not sure how to change the title. When you find out can you remove the surplus "r" in herring :-) kI was thinking of getting one of these and try to backdate it to a P7 as my period is early 1930s. But I now see that the Southward Bridge range my be brought back to life and they used to make an etched kit for the P7. So I'll wait and see what happens with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I've laid my hands on one courtesy of Rural Railways at the Southampton show. Components shown below: It is to the usual modern Cambrian spec': 1 piece body and chassis and two sets of sprues for all the details. There's some nice etched tiebars in the packet too. It looks as though it should be reasonably straightforward, which is not something you can say about every Cambrian kit! Adam PS - to edit the thread title, go to the first message, click edit. Below the message you will see two buttons: the right hand one says 'Use full editor' or something like that. Click of that and the title box will display for you to edit. HTH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted January 25, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) Pretty sure these are Herring behind 812 in 1972. What's their RRP can't see on the Cambrian site? Edit : £11.30 a tad pricier than their Dogfish/Catfish, I fancy a small rake of these though. Neil Edited January 25, 2015 by Downendian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted January 25, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2015 £11.30 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 25, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2015 I'll have a few of these, but I'll herring on the side of caution when building them! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted January 25, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2015 http://www.cctrans.org.uk/products.htm A bit of research has found the transfers here on sheet BL137 although not for GWR liveried versions unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) http://www.cctrans.org.uk/products.htm A bit of research has found the transfers here on sheet BL137 although not for GWR liveried versions unfortunately. And there's a good reason for this: the Cambrian kit depicts a vehicle that may never have seen service with the Great Western. The earlier versions were heavily riveted in traditional Swindon fashion but these were built at the tail end of 1948 according to Paul Bartlett. I've no idea how they'd have been painted... Adam Edited January 25, 2015 by Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted January 25, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2015 The Cambrian website states some of these were built from 1945.What's it say on the destructions Adam ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 25, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2015 And there's a good reason for this: the Cambrian kit depicts a vehicle that may never have seen service with the Great Western. The earlier versions were heavily riveted in traditional Swindon fashion but these were built at the tail end of 1948. I've no idea how they'd have been painted... Adam Post-1948 should still be OK for the FoD in the 1960s... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 25, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2015 I'll have a few of these, but I'll herring on the side of caution when building them! Mike. Absolutely - wouldn't want you getting in a pickle! Hee hee Abbotswood needs some too Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 The instructions say 'between 1945 and 1948' - no reference is given for this statement (a general point: I spend my days trying to explain to students and authors the importance of showing the provenance of any information they quote, it would be nice if this happened at all in railway publications) and I don't have any GW reference books to hand. There is nothing very helpful in terms of representative number ranges for GW (as opposed to the BR batch). Since I model north of 1960 this isn't too problematic, but... Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivegreen Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 A quick glance at my Atkins/Beard/Tourret 'bible' reveals it is very thin on information on the P22. Built from 1945, yes, but little else is stated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivegreen Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Oops - 'olive green' and I admitted to having the GW wagons book. i'll have to be more careful in future! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 And there's a good reason for this: the Cambrian kit depicts a vehicle that may never have seen service with the Great Western. The earlier versions were heavily riveted in traditional Swindon fashion but these were built at the tail end of 1948 according to Paul Bartlett. I've no idea how they'd have been painted... Adam They'd have been black when new; some may have been repainted in Gulf Red; I doubt any got Olive Green. Apart from the rivets, I think the GW-built batches had Dean-Churchward brakes. Those who've built other Cambrian hoppers may be comforted to hear that the main hopper body and the underframes are one-piece mouldings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 If anyone fancies modifying these wagons into something a little different: http://www.archive-images.co.uk/gallery/Archive-Art-Images-of-the-Ebbw-Vale-CISCo/image/53/Ebbw_Vale_CISC_EV_Wharf_20t_Hoppers_Newport_Corporation_Electric_Works I have 2 on order from Cambrian, they look fairly straight forward to modify... Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 26, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) They'd have been black when new; some may have been repainted in Gulf Red; I doubt any got Olive Green. Apart from the rivets, I think the GW-built batches had Dean-Churchward brakes. Those who've built other Cambrian hoppers may be comforted to hear that the main hopper body and the underframes are one-piece mouldings. Not so much comforted as relieved! I got two from Rural Railways at Southampton Show yesterday. The packet illustration appears to show the mounting for a DC handbrake lever (though not the lever itself) but this bracket does not feature in the kit itself. It therefore seems that the kit, as supplied, will only make up as a BR-built wagon. Looks very promising, though. John EDIT: See next few posts where my (hopefully temporary) lack of observational skills is cruelly exposed. Edited January 26, 2015 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 ...I think the GW-built batches had Dean-Churchward brakes... DC brakes in 1945-8 Yes, they were on the 1902 P6 from which the P22 is derived, but not on the P22. ...The packet illustration appears to show the mounting for a DC handbrake lever (though not the lever itself) but this bracket does not feature in the kit itself.... There is a cross shaft between a pair of triangular brackets below the solebars at one end. It may look like part of a DC brake but the shaft is connected by a lever to the vacuum cylinder above. See the P22 wagon diagram and a photo in Atkins et al. The handbrake is one of the jointed lever types. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) This picture from Paul Bartlett shows the brake arrangement nicely: http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brherring/h193152ea#h193152ea Note the vertical vac' pipe and stay for it attached to the hopper. Adam Edited January 26, 2015 by Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 26, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 26, 2015 DC brakes in 1945-8 Yes, they were on the 1902 P6 from which the P22 is derived, but not on the P22. There is a cross shaft between a pair of triangular brackets below the solebars at one end. It may look like part of a DC brake but the shaft is connected by a lever to the vacuum cylinder above. See the P22 wagon diagram and a photo in Atkins et al. The handbrake is one of the jointed lever types. Nick Thanks, I've just spotted that the bracket I thought was missing is part of the main chassis moulding not on the detail sprue where I was looking! John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles2 Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) http://www.cctrans.org.uk/products.htm A bit of research has found the transfers here on sheet BL137 although not for GWR liveried versions unfortunately. Also sheet BL138, I'm not sure I understand the difference between the transfer sheets and are these all straw/yellow in colour or are some white for gulf red livery? Perhaps John will be along to enlighten us presently. Edited January 26, 2015 by bubbles2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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