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Excellent thread. Even if it is the wrong side of Town - I will be watching this with interest. Thanks for taking the time to share.

Outstanding. It must be because I just don't like diesel era layouts but this one is right up there as far as this forum is concerned. Love the micro detail like the posters and the oxide repaired wing on the 105E Anglia.

8F - Front tender axle is off the track. Fantastic workbench. Have really enjoyed reading through it this evening. May thanks for sharing. Wanted to build a pigeon van for a while but painting "teak" has put me off. I feel brave enough again having seen how you do it. Thanks.

Sadly my local motor factor which stocks this wonder paint is shut due to the bank holiday, otherwise I would have popped in and done a reverse calculation on what broad spectrum a single tin of this stuff "covers". Suffice to say that it isn't used by discerning car enthusiasts who want an exact match for a certain colour. That should quantify the "close-ness" of the match or not as the case is. And before you jump on your high horse - read the thread title and the reason for the title - this thread was started to discuss/show how out of date the Halfords paint references were, which has already been proven ie the much praised RAF Kinloss MRC list is no longer fully available from Halfords in their "off the shelf range". This thread was never intended to update the "off the shelf car paint" list - if someone wants to do that, good luck to them. Personally I use Pheonix in rattle cans and have no problems with them. I have worked with paint for long enough to know that it fades, and certain colours fade worse than others, especially those containing cyanide compounds (red paints), and that certain depots hand mixed their paints in their own special way and that paint batches are never exactly the same, and greens look different in photos and early colour photo developing favoured the blue/green spectrum, (add your favourite excuse here) ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but an incorrect colour will always be an incorrect colour. If you can't admit that, then you are short sighted.

See post ~5 above. I tried using this stuff on a car repair once. Never again. Only close if you are myopic.

Thanks. Anyone want to buy a chip in December?.......................

I have just looked at the AnticsOnLine advert again and noticed that both black versions are "DCC Ready" and the green version is "DCC Fitted". Am I alone in thinking that only offering one version in green (ie "DCC Fitted") is odd? I would have thought that if 2 versions were "ready" the third should be supplied as "ready"? (I don't use DCC so I am loathed to buy a decoder only to have to remove it).

"It Always Rains on a Sunday" beautiful East London LNER working and a great final chase scene and and around a goods yard with shunting going on.

Panic buying tins will probably alter their stocking.......... just as they ponder dropping a colour, the stock listers at Halfords Towers see a rush on a colour and keep it on the "keep in stock" book until the next revue...............

I'm not up to speed on modern liveries, apart from the fact that they seem to have lots of very bright colours. The opposite is so for paints at Halfords. Lots of staid and boring colours, unless you start using pearls and metallics.

Whatever you do - NEVER take that list to your local independant motor factor who may stock the "big cans" (I think sold by Holts) which have no names for the colours - only numbers. This range proports to "one shade fits many" through the use of colour match technology. You look up a reference chart for the colour you need and it tells you that you need "Green 23" for example. Most of the greens on the KMRC list are probably covered by one can of the Holts range (I think it is Can 23) . It is the paint equivalent of "jack of all trades but matches none". I can imagine the heart ache of spending a hundred hours making a kit, including a dozen hours painting and lining and numbering it, only to stand it next to something "correct" at a club meet or a show etc. Do it right first time.

Halfords probably no longer stock it tho - there weren't many LR Greens.

Regarding the custom mixing service which Halfords offer, I now have it on good authourity that it is not going to be pulled, and is still available. Cans cost £14. You will need the paint code to get the colour mixed. There are multiple codes for each colour "shade/version" even from the same manufacturer - it's a minefield. It is nothing like the RAL system. IMHO the cans which they fill have issues in terms of a lumpy / splattery pattern. Not fine and controlled enough for modelling work. I struggled to do a "respectability blow over" on a damaged corner of my van with these cans. Or you could just go and buy the correctly matched rail colours from people like Precision or Pheonix ( other rail paint manufacturers are available etc etc etc etc )

Rather than losing this list on the thread in which it has crept into the conversation, here it is in its own right. Updated today, Star Wars Day 2012. From my local Halfords supersized store with the full range of rattle cans (not the pokey “Metro ones) the old RAF Kinloss MRC list from way back when, versus what is now available is shown below. My comments are in (italics). Where there is no comment it does not signify approval – I cannot comment on all of the colours. Item no longer available is struck through BR Loco Green :- Rover Brooklands Green - Ford Laurel Green (poor match) BR Diesel Light Green Band :- Ford Highland Green BR Coach Carmine :- Ford Rosso Red - Vauxhall Carmine Red (both too “fire engineâ€) BR Coach Cream :- Vauxhall Gazelle Beige - Talbot Jonquil BR Coach Cream (well worn) :- Peugeot Antelope Beige (too dark) BR Blood/Custard (approx colours) :- Ford Venetian Red - Talbot Jonquil BR Loco / Coach Maroon :- Rover Damask Red - Vauxhall Burgundy Red - Ford Burgundy Red - Triumph Damson BR Diesel Blue :- VW Pargas Blue - Ford Fjord Blue (Fjord blue is a very light blue like LNER blue!) BR Deltic Blue :- Lada Adriatic Blue BR Steam Loco Blue :- Peugeot Royal Blue BR Loco Yellow Warning Panel :- Vauxhall Mustard Yellow (too orange) BR EMU Green :- Jaguar British Racing Green BR Wagon Grey :- VW Eisgrauen KJ94 BR Wagon Bauxite :- Alfa Romeo Bruno DE37 CR Steam Loco :- Peugeot Royal Blue CR Dark Blue :- Rover Midnight Blue GNR (I) (Ireland) :- Ford Wedgwood Blue GWR Brunswick Green :- Peugeot Conifer (too dark) GWR/BR Green :- Leyland Brooklands Green - Land Rover Deep Bronze Green - Ford Laurel Green GWR Cream :- Ford Sahara Beige (too yellow) - Ford Sierra Beige (too white) GWR Brown (Chocolate) :- Triumph Maple - Talbot Peugeot Cafe Noir (very maroon)- Rover Russet Brown (way too light) LNER Garter Blue :- VW Pargas Blue Ford Fjord Blue LMS Coronation Blue :- Rover Pageant mid-blue LBSC Umber :- Rover Mexican Brown LBSCR Stroudley Ochre :- BMC Tan LBSCR Umber :- Vauxhall Brazil Brown LMS/Midland Crimson Lake :- Ford Damask Red - Rover Damask Red LMS Coronation Blue :- Rover Pageant Mid-Blue - Peugeot Royal Blue (Not sure here but there is a huge difference between these two) LNWR Coach Plum Lower Panels :- Daewoo Dark Red LNWR Coach Bluey-White Upper Panels :- Daewoo Casablanca White LYR Coach Upper Panels :- Plastikote Nut Brown (Not Halfords – try B&Q?) LYR Coach Plum Lower Panels :- Daewoo Dark Red MR/LMS/BR Red :- Rover Damask Red MR Red :- Rover Damask Red - Vauxhall Burgundy Red - Ford Burgundy Red - Triumph Damson NSR Maroon :- Vauxhall Gambia Red NSR Madder Lake :- Ford Lacquer Red NER Coach Red :- Vauxhall Gambia Red Stanier Coronation Blue :- Peugeot Royal Blue SR Malachite Green Green :- Ford Laurel Green (never!) - Daihatsu Tropical Green SR Dark Olive Green :- Land Rover Coniston Green SR EMU Green :- Jaguar British Racing Green SDJR Blue :- Rover Midnight Blue If I were a betting man, the next colours to fall off that list are the Lada (Deltic Blue) – Lada is stopping production, and the Daewoo colours – no imports of Daewoo into this country for many years now.

Thanks for the update Ed.

Regarding the water crane bagging - I used the kit bagging and varnished it with the crane lying flat on top of a piece of brown parcel tape. Not much sticks to the shiny side of brown parcel tape, apart from parcel tape. A friend in the fibre glass repair industry taught me that trick - he tells me that even glass resin doesn't stick to it if it is smooth with no wrinkles or folds.

Tre Pol and Pen would therefore be suitable for the final three types of "branding": GREAT WESTERN then "Shirtbutton" then G W R Just one question- with the interest in Tre Pol and Pen, which kept its name until the bitter end - any chance of someone filling the gap in the nameplate market - with of course the different number options for TP&P. C.G.W and Modelmaster Jackson Evans are both offering 4mm Tre Pol and Pens - Modelmaster even has both number options....

1936 is covered by what is termed as "diesel punk" Does that mean that diesel punks all look the same, are known by numbers, and occaisionally get named for short periods of time, which can often change...........

Sorry, but what would you expect? As stated elsewhere on this post, an original "date" has passed. I have asked a very similar question about a forthcoming product on the Hornby page and have the required answers, without sarcasm, shirtiness or presumption. That's what I expected I think. As for Buffalo's post - agreed that a 1946 renumber would only give it max 3 years in a post shirt button livery, but there was a green livery around for 30 years before shirt button as well. Hence my question. Fair enough?

That's no real help ( thanks anyway) It just confirms there's a black one and a dirty one and a green one.