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http://www.flickr.com/photos/johngreyturner/4015360330/in/set-72157622492901402/ would look more realistic if it was EM/P4 though.....

looked in the robertson blue pullman book and the only table-top ashtrays seen in pics are round silver (or silver-topped glass) - the top of the ashtray is roughly doughnut shaped, but with a big cutout (presumably big enough for a cigar!) merely supposing here, but i doubt any BR/pullman fixtures and fittings would be sullied by 'commercial' branding, especially since there was enough argy-bargy between BR and the pullman company anyway just thinking though, the pics etc. are on introduction, maybe commercialism crept in later on? EDIT: maybe a prototype or prospective sample by players fags to supply the ashtrays?

joe, haven't found one so specific, but post #58 above mentions "8545 BFYE (no "D") 5Sep1970 Motherwell" found a couple of pics on flickr (sorry if these have been linked to before) of 8545 still in BFYE in 1972 http://www.flickr.com/photos/robmcrorie/5343527904/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/2149377675/

hi allan, i wonder if you're thinking of seafield in leith? as trains from seafield pit in kirkcaldy to longannet wouldn't need to go near the forth bridge. the route was seafield pit - burntisland - inverkeithing (east jn. - north jn chord) - dunfermline then reversal at townhill. i suppose an alternative path could be reverse after coming out of seafield pit, then north through kirkcaldy - thornton - cowdenbeath - townhill then to longannet edit: found the conditional WTT for may-october 1974. seafield - longannet MGRs are booked for 3 x cl.20 and 41 wagons westfield opencast - longannet trains are also booked as above, but reverse at redford jn, then cowdenbeath - townhill

there's a mention of the longannet MGRs in this post: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/24638-burntisland-questions/page__st__25&do=findComment&comment=270239 earlier in that topic, i mentioned a pic i'd seen of one being banked through dunfermline lower station - in the pic the train is going away from the camera round a right-to-left curve. so, if they went from seafield, through burntisland and inverkeithing ? junction to dunfermline, they must've reversed there to go along the line to longannet? anyways, from the post linked above, horn signals were used, unless there were 2-way radios in use? i have a conditional WTT from the 70s somwhere - i must dig it out as it's mostly MGRs i think and it'll give the routes/traction and wagon load. the MGRs tended to be a certain number of HAAs according to the service

a simplex diesel shunter, there is one at NRM shildon. pic from 2010 edit:one at shildon is motor-rail simplex 4217 (1931): http://www.flickr.co...man/8067381613/ edit again: found a 'burt' noted as motor rail 9019/1951 from burt, boulton and haywood timber, erith, kent at the amberley railway pic at bottom of this page. i take it it's the same one?

one from recently: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LIMA-5188-KIT-BUILT-BR-CLASS-40-LOCO-D233-EMPRESS-of-ENGLAND-WEATHERED-MIB-mv-/330788654821?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item4d048a4ee5 as was remarked on before, the header says it's kit-built and weathered etc but also MIB r-t-r! unless he's like so many others who just puts all 'tags' in the description so it comes up in more searches. a variation (across many categories) would say something like "Hornby NOT Bachmann"

maybe he's the one whose missus always put something nice (and different) on his pieces. someone else, fed up with cheese or egg everyday, decided to swap without telling him!

sorry for the late reply 'CHARD, but thanks for posting those. i suppose if i was ever to model KDY, it would be in this era. looking through the list, i noticed the lack of 27s and deltics. presumably the former not appearing as the dundee-edins would still be DMUs, the latter not appearing on edin-abdn until the full HST deployment? very useful numbers tho!

MIB i've seen before = mint, in box unless he means 'mint in box' where each item of old lima tat is accompanied by a used polo ;-)

D270 with serifed numbers in 1967: http://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/6266258854/in/set-72157627818981963/ with new numbers in 1971, although it would seem the old ones were merely painted out and redone: http://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/6265728577/in/set-72157627818981963/ presumably the emblems were a slightly different size as they've been done too! (possibly official sticker vesion over a hand-painted one?)

thanks for that graham, you know more about signalling than me! (admittedly wouldn't be difficult) fantastic diagram too, showing what a sprawl of sidings there was at one time..... thanks again

it's dunni-keer graham i've lost the link, but it was the oswald family which had the original dunnikier house in pathhead, later building dunnikier house on their estate (now the dunnikier house hotel in the park). there is an oswald rd. in kirkcaldy, but now more of a side-street since the building of dunnikier way the colliery was north of smeaton rd., east of sinclairtown goods yards: 1914 OS map from nls there are still a couple of railway lines in the later 1938 map, but the colliery seems to have gone - strange seeing a pit in the middle of a town! incidentally graham, in your signal diagram for dysart what do the terms N.C., H.N.C. and L.C.R. mean? the coal-merchant with the blue sign mentioned by 'CHARD is shown in the photo i linked to earlier of the 06 next to the signalbox - this would have had level access from the road/car park. presumably this was a different merchant from the one on bennochy bridge, i wonder if there were any more? although i was a bit young to remember clearly, like 'CHARD Dr.GB's photos bring back a lot of childhood memories. excellent stuff everybody

just spotted this gem on michael laing's flickr - the (in)famous locos in muir's den rd. yard (in 2004) http://www.flickr.com/photos/punkrocksuperstar63/3634471534/in/set-72157617014610729

just found this on the RCTS archive site, 06002 parked next to the signalbox at kirkcaldy in 1977 and showing a merchant's coal drops nearby http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/archive/image.htm?img=CH03344&jpg=CH03344.jpg&srch=&page=0

grand piano that

andy, i've read that too though can't remember where! i've definitely read somewhere that the railway wouldn't pay the pits to reserve the land around/under the lines. therefore the pits dug where they wanted, often directly under the railway - IIRC thornton jn. station had to be rebuilt several times over the years due to subsidence.

thanks graham, forgot about the diagram! the key on the rhs of the 1976 diagram has the indicator as a double-sided 'R' indicator, showing the driver "that guard's signal to start has been given." perhaps at that time it was a simple 'R' for the right-away, later modified to confirm the route to be taken? (although, as you say, there was only one route available maybe the way the gubbins worked meant it would show that anyway)

grabbed his comb

great pics andy, thanks for posting them! HAAs with canopies through waverley 27007 providing a good prototype for a straight-out-of-the box model 27107 at the back of a p-p rake, with the BSO reversed (note you can see the blue-star control jumper parked on the end of the BSO, presumably the one on the loco's other side is connected - i think only one jumper was needed?) 27111 casts a cutting glance at the fancy new push-pull while she gets on with a train of mk1s - what would this service be, carlisle perhaps? (EDIT: just noticed the signal to the right - would this be a 'back' indicator for longer trains past the signal?) great stuff! not that fancy perhaps, but the bread'n'butter that was so often ignored

found these after mention in another thread tonight: number of the BG is not visible, but it has 'ScotRail' at the far lhs. with 47711 on live aid day, 13/7/85 : http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackwatch55013/5547982379/in/set-72157624171966416/ with 47716 on 15/7/85 : http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackwatch55013/5547983287/in/set-72157624171966416/

thanks flood, i thought they were - using a TSOT and possibly the ex E-G 'spare' p-p set? EDIT: found a pic i was thinking of and it's the spare p-p set + DBSO on edin-inv july 1984 - no mk 2c CK, but i think a 2d TSOT might have appeared later?

'it got too hot and fell to bits' in an unexpected fashion? maybe these are all the bits he could retrieve, although nothing seems to have actually blown up!

thanks for that david, from what i can remember (and have seen photos of) they were used on pretty much the edin-inv push-pulls

fantastic pic, look how much is going on here. the p-p set seems to missing a TSO, the other train might be an abdn-edin with the RMB, a 101 coming on/off the depot, a rake of HAAs with canopies and just the whole coal yard scene!