Davey

Hi Bob, Just a thought , but wouldn't fine 'grit' wet and dry paper stuck down wrong way up give a good representation of a felt roof. Davey

Surely that would require a new thread! I'll get my hat! Davey

Sounds to me Wheatley like you're going off the rails!

Hi Rodent 279, Is that what you call a measured response? Davey

Obviously his first name is Les!. Simples. Davey

Hi Paul, I expect it was worthwhile taking a punt! Davey

Hi Jamie, I do think the tilt on the that Voyager at Manchester Piccadilly is rather excessive! Davey

Hi Mike, From memory, I don't think there were anything like 212 locomotives present but I can confirm that the ex Mersey Railway 0-6-4 tank locomotive was there. Unfortunately all my notebooks from that time went missing when I left home to get married in 1970. I had always intended to transfer all my spotting notes to a single ledger but sadly never got round to it. Davey

Hi Mike, Interesting to see your reference to the Derby Locomotive Works open day in August 1960. I together with some school mates attended. What a great day it was. The thing that stands out in my mind was a pile of scrap parts off locomotives that was lying around, things such as builders plates, water capacity plates, cab gauges, etc. There was a works employee stationed nearby and he invited us to help ourselves to anything we wanted off the pile. As you can imagine, we couldn't believe our luck, so gratefully accepted the invitation. The thing I selected was a brass water capacity plate off the back of a 3F 0-6-0 tender. If memory serves me correctly the capacity was 3,250 gallons. I still have it hidden away somewhere. Happy days indeed. Davey

Hi Andy, it's not very often you get 3 buses out for a 'Duck' Davey

Hi nigb55009, I stand corrected. Davey

Hi nigb55009, I'm not convinced it is Walsall, that gantry on the RH side of the picture doesn't look correct. Davey

That's no way to talk about your mother-in-law Phil! Davey

Ref Adam 88's post on the 7th April, would I be correct in thinking that was designed to haul the 'Buttocks Express' ? Davey

That looks much better now. Davey

Thanks Western Aviator. Davey

What a wonderfully evocative photograph of the DMU at Wolseley Street in 1982, and all the better for being in black & white. Forgive my ignorance, but where exactly is Wolseley Street? It looks very reminiscent of the Winson Green are of Birmingham. Davey

Hi Rob, There is a photograph in "The Power of the Duchesses" by David Jenkinson showing 46243 City of Lancaster in streamlined form and in wartime black livery hauling a down Glasgow train in 1948. Apparently it was the only streamlined Princess Coronation pacific to carry a BR number and did not carry a front number plate. Regards, Davey

Hi SP Steve, Many thanks for that update. I will follow your instructions to see what I can find. Many thanks, Davey

Thanks for that Wickham. Davey

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to spend much time on RMWeb recently, so I need to reply to the useful replies that have been posted since my last post on Thursday 23rd July, and to say thank you to all that have posted on this topic since then. I will now reply to posts in the order that they were posted: Arun Sharma - Thanks for the reference to Brian Golding's "A Pictorial Record of Southern Electric Units - Drawings & Plans", which looked like a useful lead, until I read the posts by Wickham Green and Keith HC, which seemed to question the accuracy of the drawings in Brian Golding's book. It is for that reason that I always prefer to work from official BR drawings wherever possible. SP Steve - I followed your instructions for searching through the Derby Carriage & Wagon Works Drawing lists but my research revealed nothing relevant, but that could be down to me and not your instructions. Mike Hughes - As I understand it, the 4CIG and 4VEP cab ends were identical in terms of end elevation and side elevation, so that promises to be a useful lead, so I will be contacting the HMRS, that is if they are responding to enquiries at this difficult time. Again many thanks for everyone's input, - the search continues. Davey

What an abomination of a livery!!!! Davey

Hi Jim, As you correctly say, the units were built at York. Unfortunately, during my extensive searches, I have found no drawing indexes for York Carriage works. I think it was the case, that York merely worked to designs originating from the major design offices, in this case Derby, who were responsible for the design of the MK 1 coaches. Also, I would have expected one of the Southern Region works to have had some input in the 4 CIG design, but my searches have turned up nothing. Regards, Davey

Hi Wickham, thanks for that piece of information, very useful. Many thanks, Davey

To the Moderator. I have inadvertently posted this in the wrong section, intending to post it in the UK Prototype Questions section. I would be grateful if you could move it to that section for me. Many thanks, Davey