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Hello Fatadder Sorry about the post in error above! Well...look what I have just found as a result of looking for 1947 for you! I must have somehow missed it when looking originally! This is the 10.10pm Down Postal Paddington-Penzance, 1946-1947. Look at the formation! Brian

Ignore post! Sent in error! Brian

Hello Mike As part of the research for this Mini-Poll, I went through all the Carriage Working Programmes that are kindly provided by friend and (main) Poll Team colleague, Robert Carroll, but I don't recall seeing any TPO marked 'light'. That's not to say that I 'disagree' with you, though! As we well know, not everything was in the CWP and not everything followed the CWP to the letter - amendments often being made before the books ever got on a printing press. While writing, I thought readers might like to see the clip below from 1943 - the 4.00pm is a very short train! Please respect the copyright as Robert's. Brian

Hello Nick Good to hear from you. Votes duly noted. You say that the L23 and L13 suit your requirements. Is that simply a matter of preference or was there a mail train with just those two in the formation? Speaking personally (and not on behalf of my Mini-Poll colleagues) I wouldn't want to see the TPO apparatus operational as I feel it would add much cost to any project. The recent Bachmann Breakdown Crane 'works' but I wonder on the value of that. But, there again, does the fact that it 'works' actually sell the product to many who wouldn't buy a non-working one? I recently posed the question about whether the L22 in the 3.45pm from Plymouth (Noon train from Penzance) actually picked up on route, but there has been no reply. Looking at my Public Timetable, it ambled up to Bristol, not arriving until 7.00pm. Even so, would that not have made it too early for most pillar box collections and pre-sorting into bags? And, if that is so, why wasn't a 'simple' Stowage Van used? This is partly what I like about our Mini-Polls; they answer a question but open up two more... and so on! Brian

Final Call for Votes - GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.3: TPO Stock Hello everyone Your 'Polling Station' closes at 1700 today with Results expected tomorrow. If you haven't already voted, all you need to do is to respond to either 1 or 2 below: 1. I want to vote for just the Diag.L22. (Simply state L22 on your posting) or 2. I want to vote for the following L Diagram Nos: (Such as L4, L20, L21 etc including L22 if you didn’t pick Option 1 above). Brian (Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Rob’s thread only and neither RMweb nor The 00 Wishlist Poll Team are specifically involved, apart from me, John, Chris and Ian in our ‘personal capacities’.)

Hello Phil Will PM you shortly. Brian

Note about the TPO Mini-Poll Hello everyone Back on page 1647, we said we would run a TPO Mini-Poll if we got at least 15 'likes' for the idea, which would make it worthwhile for the effort. There were 17 'likes' and 1 'agree' - 18 total. We currently have 14 entries...but only six of the 18 above have voted. If 'the missing 12' care to vote, it will give us a more rounded result. Polling closes at 1700 tomorrow, Saturday 3 July. Brian

Hello Phil No problem at all. This thread is entitled as being 'filled with frivolity' so the different sizes were indeed good fun and your contributions are always light hearted and interesting (to say the least!) as well as often informative. We all need a little bit of fun here and there! My old teacher was a stickler for 'correctness' but that was back in the mid-60s and we had to work to what was known as The Style of the House. Lots of typographical conventions have gone out of the window since then with the advent of word processing and now keyboard access for all. Not 'right or wrong' - just different. Keep it coming, Phil! There will some items in future Mini-Polls that can be used on the SR - but I do have to keep to predominantly GWR as we are running them on Rob's behalf. While writing, are you aware of the report in Railway Observer December 1960 concerning diversions at Exeter? Brian

Results – 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.7: Freight Stock – Bogie, plus Palbrick for consistency Hello everyone Many thanks to the 16 voters who took part. The number of votes to each item is shown in the left hand column and Comments Received are appended on a PDF as usual. Please note that the results reflect the views of those who voted here and may not necessarily reflect those of the wider modelling community. High Polling 11 Bogie Bolster Quint D/Plate Wagon 42-ton (LNER and BR Diag.1/490 etc of 1949) 9 Bogie Bolster D Wagon 42-ton (LNER and BR Diags.1/470, 1/472, 1/476, 1/478, 1/484 of 1949-61) 7 Bogie Trolley Wagon – Weltrol (eg LNER Weltrol P, BR Diag.2/730 etc of 1949) Middle Polling 6 Bogie Brick Wagon (LNER 1921) 6 Bogie Rail Wagon 50-ton – Borail (Diag.1/482 etc of 1959) 5 Bogie Trolley Wagon – Flatrol (eg LNER DD of 1929, BR Diag2/511 of 1949) 5 Bogie Trolley Wagon – Trestrol (eg LNER Trestrol A, BR Diags.2/680 & 682 of 1951/3) Low Polling 4 BR Palbrick Wagon – 4-wheel (BR Diag.1/021 of 1954) 2 Bogie Chemicals Tank Wagon (Caustic Soda, Liquid Chlorine, Nitric Acid etc) 1 Bogie Sulphate Wagon (LNER 1930) Your specific Chemical Tank Wagons 2 Caustic Soda Tanker 1 Hornby-Dublo ICI Chlorine Tanker 1 Hornby-Dublo Traffic Services Tanker 1 Creosote Wagon 1 Flat Wagon with chained down Road Tanker Vehicle Other Specialist Vehicle Noted 1 140-ton Gun Set Wagon complete with 14in Gun Barrel (). Join us again on Monday for the final Rolling Stock Mini-Poll, which will be for Departmental Stock. After that – and responding to Gilbert’s earlier request – I am pleased to say that Chris Knowles-Thomas and I will be bringing you three further Mini-Polls; these will be for steam locos with a Peterborough North connection. They will be: * PN 00 Loco Mini-Poll No.1: Freight, Tank & Tender * PN 00 Loco Mini-Poll No.2: Passenger Tank * PN 00 Loco Mini-Poll No.3: Passenger Tender Brian Mini-Poll No.7 Bogie Comments Received.pdf

Hello everyone My late (and great) teacher of typography when I was studying at the London College of Printing would now be having apoplexy at how many type sizes one can get on one page! Brian

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Hello Phil The answer is yes. Brian https://peco-uk.com/products/lner-bogie-brick-wagon

Final Call for Votes 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.7: Freight Stock – Bogie, plus Palbrick for consistency Hello everyone A reminder that the 'Polling Station' closes at 17.00 today, with Results due tomorrow. If you haven't already voted, here’s what to do… 1. You may vote for any or all of the ten items listed plus a response to item 11 (if you so wish) 2. They must be items you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’. 3. Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 2, 4, 7, 9, 10 – with comments and explanations following. 4. If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations. Bricks 1 BR Palbrick Wagon – 4-wheel (BR Diag.1/021 of 1954) 2 Bogie Brick Wagon (LNER 1921) Chemicals 3 Bogie Chemicals Tank Wagon (Caustic Soda, Liquid Chlorine, Nitric Acid etc) 4 Bogie Sulphate Wagon (LNER 1930) Bolsters 5 Bogie Bolster D Wagon 42-ton (LNER and BR Diags.1/470, 1/472, 1/476, 1/478, 1/484 of 1949-61) 6 Bogie Bolster Quint D/Plate Wagon 42-ton (LNER and BR Diag.1/490 etc of 1949) 7 Bogie Rail Wagon 50-ton – Borail (Diag.1/482 etc of 1959) Trolleys 8 Bogie Trolley Wagon – Flatrol (eg LNER DD of 1929, BR Diag2/511 of 1949) 9 Bogie Trolley Wagon – Trestrol (eg LNER Trestrol A, BR Diags.2/680 & 682 of 1951/3) 10 Bogie Trolley Wagon – Weltrol (eg LNER Weltrol P, BR Diag.2/730 etc of 1949) 11 Your specific Chemical Tank Wagons There are multitudes of Chemical Tank Wagons, so please feel free to state any specifics you would like to see made. Get your thinking caps on and get voting! I will acknowledge receipt of your vote via the ‘Thx’ tick box. Brian (Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Gilbert’s thread only and neither The 00 Wishlist Poll Team nor RMweb are specifically involved, apart from me in my ‘personal capacity’.)

Hello Mike Indeed that is true and - on reflection - Item 2 would have been better constructed as L & M Diagrams. If anyone wants to vote for M Diagrams please do so. Brian

Hello Graham Would they be these? GWR Autocoach – Wood-panelled 70ft Ex-Steam Railmotor (Diag.A26 of 1928-36) If so, they have been High Polling in The 00 Wishlist Poll for a while. Brian

Hello Phil & everyone Link below for Newton Abbot Library Railway Studies. Well worth a visit. Check times as I think you need an appointment. http://newtonabbotrailwaystudies.co.uk/ Brian

Hello Fatadder Sorry to disappoint you but it's 90% BR days. Brian

Hello Phil The Noon Penzance-Crewe conveyed the L22 off the Down 6.25am as far as Bristol (not vehicles). The same train (noon that is) conveyed two of the other L22s Cardiff-Crewe and Liverpool. Brian

Hello Phil I think have 'cottoned on' to what's in your mind... The 4.25pm Plymouth-Paddington Parcels. Booked to convey: Gas Tank, Fruit Ds, Tobacco Van, Siphons (specific running numbers), Full Brakes, Enparts Van and just about anything anyone could hook onto it, including Milk Tankers. A photo on page 36 of Railways in and around Newton Abbot shows a Hall coupled ahead of a WD 2-8-0 in 1956. Brian

Hello Phil I'm not aware of anything 'postal' around 4.00pm. On Saturdays, the 10.10pm only went as far as Plymouth. The return from there departed 9.13pm. Brian

Thanks Fatadder...and in Winter 1935/1936, it was 6.48pm. Brian.

Hello Mike (Wiltshire) Just to confirm...are you voting just for Diag.L22, or the others too? Brian

Hello Phil Yes, indeed there was. Left Penzance at 6.40pm (1956 timings). For your interest, the train was booked to convey a Siphon G from Torrington. 7.42pm from Ilfracombe, detached and attached at Exeter St Davids. Brian Brian

Hello everyone Furthering Fatadder's post above, I also 'model' the 6.25am Bristol-Plymouth, but in late 1959/early 1960. The word 'model' is in quotes as I approximate the train from RTR stock and am currently substituting the Diag.L22 with a Bachmann TPO (W80300). The L22's return from Penzance was in the Noon to Crewe (as far as Bristol). Did the van actually pick-up via the apparatus on this stretch? Brian

Hello everyone I am voting specifically for the L22 – but have added L23. I’m not a ‘model manufacturer’ and don’t profess to understand the economics of slip tools etc but I wonder if the following is possible… The Diag.L22 is a 50ft vehicle – so is Diag.L23. Now, if the L23 shared the same or very similar underframe to the L22, would a maker possibly ‘tool up’ for that as well? There are benefits with Diag.L23… · They were in the Paddington-Penzance TPO · When displaced in 1959 they were transferred to BR’s Southern Region South Eastern Division and painted green in 1960. By 1961, they were allocated to London Bridge-Dover workings. · Nos.813/4 returned to the Western Region c.1972; converted as Enparts vehicles. · Significantly, No.814 has been preserved in working order at the Great Western Society, Didcot and demonstrates TPO pick-up and delivery. This vehicle was built new in 1940 to replace the same-numbered vehicle which had been destroyed in an accident. · It is generally considered that a model sells better if there is a preserved example. Some nay-sayers might well exclaim (such as): No-one will want TPO vehicles as they are always in such long trains and modellers don’t have the space. My response to that is – and adding to what reader mdvle said on page 1648 – there will be many who might buy them simply because of the preserved example or the ‘eye candy’ value. Not all modellers are ‘aficianados’ and many simply ‘collect’. Finally, two pictures of Diag.L22 vehicles for you: · Page 40, Steam on West of England Main Lines (Peter W Gray) · Page 79, Scenes from the Past:19. Railways in and around Newton Abbot & Torbay (CR Potts) Brian