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On formation of the Southern Railway the initial livery was Olive Green which had been used right at the end of its existence by the LSWR. At some stage in around 1930 this changed to a slightly darker shade. Probably not that noticable as an older carriage with several revarnishings would be darker than original anyway. Malachite Green was a new brighter livery introduced by Bulleid just before WW2, the war meant this did not become widespread until 1945 onwards. 1920's to 1938. Olive Green 1938-1945. Mainly Olive Green, a few Malachite Post war. Malachite Green. Pete

I believe this ticket should be an Isle of Wight add-on to the normal fare to Ryde Pier Head, it would only act as a day rover on the Island covering both the steam and electric railways. Yes it should be available for any valid UK station but in addition to the expected fare to Ryde not as a stand alone price. It is available at Island stations or on the train at that price. Pete

I seem to remember reading a reference that part of the slipping problems was due to the Boxpok wheels, not due to there stiffness but that the pockets in the design caught some of the oil coming off the motion and bearings whilst running. When stopped this would dribble from the upper pockets onto the the track. Locos being often stopped in the same locations these got oily. I dont know if this is true but it sounds plausible. Probably less of a problem for preserved locos as these would do less miles and would be kept cleaner. Pete

Regarding the Military Railway: http://www.alresford.org/displayed/displayed_21_1.php Its route is shown on the Rail Map online Webste; http://www.railmaponline.com/UKIEMap.php Pete

There were 2 Stroudley sets on the Island and 3 Billington sets, each had two Brake Thirds, a Full Third and a Composite The Stroudley sets used a 4 Comp full Second trimmed as a Composite (equal comp spacing). The Billington sets used a 4 Comp full First trimmed as a Composite (also equal comp spacing) and a 5 Comp full Second trimmed as a Third. The Guards Duckets were altered on the mainland from 1911onwards being reduced in width, also reducing the width of the outer windows, this was to increase route availability however many were withdrawn prior to being altered. All IOW examples had the standard post 1911 width. All withdrawn in 1931 being the last LBSC 4 wheelers in traffic, one brake Third was retained for a further year for workmens use during the rebuilding of Medina Wharf. In addition an LBSC Billington Saloon was in use on the Island, originally a 6 wheeler this ran as a 4 wheeler and was withdrawn in 1934. A further oddity was a Stroudley Horse Box, this arrived in 1925 and was only one of its type to carry Southern Livery, this lasted until 1954 by which time it had made it into BR red. Pete

There was an extensive Military railway coming of the DN&S near Winchester in WW1 running some miles into the countryside, you could stretch facts and assume this remained into WW2 and beyond. Several Terriers were requisitioned for military service at the time and even found use as far afield as Scotland. Pete

Disappearing fast by grouping, the last 4 wheelers were withdrawn around 1924 and the 6 wheelers 1928. A few lingered on in use on the Isle of Wight until 1931 and in the Lancing Bell Works train until 1930. Pete

Thanks Just found it and im very tempted. I am not familar with 3d printing and the only ones I have seen (not yours) have been pretty poor resolution wise with obvious stepping on curves, to be fair these were home produced by someone with a hobby standard printer. Can you refer me to any photos of N gauge items made in the Finer plastic as produced. I have seen the pictures on your website but im unsure if these are cad images or if actual prints, to what scale. Thanks Pete

I would be interested in anything for the Isle of Wight in 2mm / N gauge. The Ventnor West Push pull sets would certainly qualify. Your designs look good but a lot depends on how good the 3d print resolution is. Do you have any detail photos of any of your designs? Any estimate on likely availability & price? Pete

Hello Looks good. I assume "original conversion" means as first used without the corridor connection on the outer end of the saloon in IOW use. The two IOW push Pull sets were previously a 4 carrage set on the Isle of Sheppey Light Railway. This was formed of three "Schools" Saloon Composites and the Brake Third. The Brake Third being converted into an open saloon from compartments and all were fitted with corridor connections to allow conductor guard working. At this time they were 6 wheelers. Without the Corridor connections these were visually as originally built. It may be worth offering the Sheppey versions as well, the principal difference being the Brake Third was still externally in as built appearance. All corridor connections were mounted centrally at this time. For the IOW this set was split in two with the Brake Third and one of the Composites (shown above) being altered to driving trailers. All centre wheelsets removed. The later IOW connections reinstated on the Saloon outer ends were offset. These have been available as an etched brass kit from D&S both in OO and O gauge (not the rebuilt Saloon driving trailer) but are not currently produced and are very rare on EBay. Pete

When IOW Terriers appear another variation on cab spectacles will need watching. 2 locos: W8 & W13 (32677 & 32646) had the front spectacles replaced with opening ones of LSWR pattern, these have a much smaller brass surround and a slightly larger window. This was done during WW2, (possibly having blackout screens in them?) these spectacles were retained during subsequent BR mainland use. Both these are likely future models, W8 being a popular preserved example and W13 being the only Terrier to carry Malachite green livery. Pete

Hooray Now working as one entry per topic only, thanks for the revision or for someone amending my selection criteria. From the start of the new system till my last visit on Thursday it was showing every post. Yes as stated the black dot goes direct to last unread entry, I wasnt aware of this I had always clicked on the title, (old system and new). This was working as last entry posted until very recently but I may have done this myself trying to reconfigure things, certainly when the new system came out it was going to first entry. Just checked through two days of updates in 30 minutes just like before, rather than hours. Thank You Pete

This is hopeless. As above all I get is every reply to every topic, also clicking on any topic gets the very first entry, not the last unread item. This seems to have changed in the last day or two, it was giving the last entry. Can we have the old system back please?. If we are stuck with it please give a idiots guide, one step at a time how to use the selection options and more importantly save them and reopen when returning. I have tried various without success. Note: using a PC, I understand the revision was to work better with other systems. Pete

I dont have details of the mainland Full Thirds but I would expect equi-spaced compartments. The IOW rebuild Full Thirds do differ slightly in the added compartments but only by an odd inch here and there, as stated above this would not be noticeable in 4mm. Indeed without doing some very detail checking I couldnt say the model kits even reproduced this detail. A detail not visible is that the original body framing was built for 3/8" timber paneling and rebated accordingly, the added compartments were built with framing for steel sheet panels with minimal rebates. Pete

Picture of the side would be good. If a brake third the duckets were on the brake end between the guards door and the end, these were normally flush steel sheeted after removal hence the position is obvious, (no mouldings). The end was also often rebuilt with different windows. An internet search should give pictures of the LBSC ducket shape and end windows. If you have a 9 compartment full third this is not easy, some of these were rebuilt from brake thirds for the Isle of Wight for which kits do exist. The rebuild was very extensive with the whole brake end removed and replaced with compartments, returning this to the brake third format would be very difficult. Pete

Try pressing tin foil over a comb Pete

Some of the detail "errors" shown above may not be errors at all. There are all sorts of variations between individual locos and these differ over the years. For example both collared and un-collared buffer guides are correct, you would need dated photos of specific locos to sort. The difficulty Horny has is matching the correct bits for a given loco and date, inevitably this will end with some compromises to achieve a model which can represent several different locos without an excessive amount of custom pieces. Pete

During WW1 there was a lot of additional trains run for workmen to Cowes for the shipyards. The Isle of Wight Central had 4 terriers at the time and the Freshwater line one, Oldburys certainly were used for some of these trains hence yes it is likely that they did run together. Apart from through workings from the Isle of Wight Railway and Freshwater line there would have been Central run trains as well, they had taken over and were using some of the Oldburys which the IWR had withdrawn in 1914. At the end of WW1 the Workmens Trains came to an end and Terrier haulage after this would be unlikely. It is just possible it also occurred in early Southern days, the last Oldburys were withdrawn in 1927 although by then O2 haulage was the norm for Ryde to Ventnor, The first Terrier allocated to Ryde shed was in 1929 however one was borrowed from Newport during 1927 for Bembridge branch use. Pete

I started a Barnstaple Town model years ago, (still started). The siding here certainly was used for goods transhipment, several photos exist of crates etc stacked waiting for collection and it was also used for coal. However as stated above much was loaded at Pilton. The standard gauge goods sidings were at Barnstaple Junction and I suspect smallish quantities / part loads would be unloaded there for road transport to Pilton. Possibly the Town siding was only used for full wagon loads to the L&B, it had no road access for other traffic. Coal would also have arrived by sea direct to the L&B Rolle Quay. Pete

Bedhampton water works siding was still in place at this time and has water beyond it. From a reply earlier it would appear that some Portsmouth Dockyard locos were scrapped here, perhaps it was also used for parking something on its way elsewhere. Pete

The load would be slowly lowered down the ramp attached to a winch cable, Alternatively if a loco was used to draw it off one or two wagons would be used between the loco and load. The loco would not actually move onto the ramp itself, this would not be a good practice due to the temporary nature of the ramp and the change in gradient at the bottom which is not good for suspension loads. Pete

Ive had a pedestrian walk across the road and straight into the side of my car whilst I was stopped at a junction. Yes they were engrossed in their phone. Pete

You need to think what would be worked from the Signal Box. 3, 4 & 6 likely. The turnout adjacent to 5 would likely be hand operated hence hand signalled. The works siding shown would depend on how close to the station, Box worked and signalled as shown if within station limits, likely a ground frame released by the single line token if a distance away, in the latter case ground signals may be used or just hand signalling. A ground signal is a running signal like all others hence 2 & 6 would need to be cleared to use the Main unless a Home or starter signal is there also to apply to the Main. Pete

When you catch them just take them to the departure lounge, introduce them to the delayed passengers, step back and close the doors for an hour or two..

The 4 wheeler looks like the 1872 NLR Directors Saloon which is now at Shildon (NRM). This is listed as donated in 1975 and previously at Clapham It was noted as stored at Lostock Hall prior to Clapham hence is presumably going to or from there. Pete