Ruffnut Thorston

There have been previous Hornby Brand jigsaws. Hornby (Railways) we have. There are/ were others. Including Scalextric I think ( cannot remember them all…) Hornby licensed the various brands, including Hornby Trains (Meccano Ltd.) and Hornby Dublo. These appeard on stationery, notebooks (paper, not computer!), etc. There were Arrow Jigsaws in the 1960s, using the images from Tri-ang Railways catalogue covers. Though then, I believe that Arrow was part of the Lines Bros. Group…Tri-ang.

Most probably a whole chassis swap. Possibly with a Bo Bo Transcontinental Series loco. it’s not all that difficult. I think that the very last Dock Shunters were assembled without the oil felt pads around the bearings, like the last X.04 and the New Type X.03 motors. If so, that may help to identify the chassis?

Actually, all I was doing was clarifying the origins of the GBL series models. Earlier (at the time) discussion on various forums (forae) have debated the implications of the production of the models, as they were so obviously based on existing models. But, in the end, it could be that as the GBL models were static ornaments, that there was no actual competition with the original models, some of which were old enough to be no longer produced by the original manufacturer anyway. The best of it that the GBL models have provided models and parts for many “Bashing” projects, as can be seen in the GBL thread in the Magazines section on RMWeb… So, I hadn’t “forgotten” anything. Now, back to the Hornby Trains On Film series… How about “The Ghost Train”? Complete with opening swing bridge? (The old Severn Bridge swinging span over the Gloucester and Sharpness Ship Canal…)

Without looking it up, I would believe that the smooth wheel versions came in in the 1970s, probably under Hornby Railways branding. The very last Dock Shunters had the buffer beams retooled to take the newer type of buffers. The buffer stocks being moulded into the buffer beam, with separate heads on rods inserted. I think that the smooth wheels were first introduced on the Transcontinental (TC) series models made for export. Probably those in real liveries, CN, CP, etc…

That and it makes a pretty picture! I remember when train sets of goods trains included the necessary brake van!

Bachmann made a large scale pewter model of Locomotion No.1 for some anniversary. it was an ornament, not functional. The Great British Locomotive Collection models were “inspired by” various RTR models. Probably laser scanned. New tooling was certainly made, as the GBL models fitted together differently from the RTR models that inspired them. The GBL Rocket and 1st Class L&MR coach were inspired by the Tri-ang Railways models. The GBL Locomotion No.1 was inspired by the Bachmann ornament, but scaled down to approximately HO scale, 16.5mm gauge. The Airfix kit of the Trevithick locomotive was a larger scale than OO. It could be motorised, on its display stand I believe. https://www.scalemates.com/kits/airfix-a05871-1804-steam-loco--109407

Anyone else remember the range of card kits, in both OO and N scales, that were marketed under the Builder Plus brand? Thats what came to my mind the instant I saw “Builder+”… A positive development of the Playtrains range.

The current China made Lord Of The Isles has a different chassis from the original, with pick ups on the front bogie, as well as the driving and trailing wheels. Only the driving axle is driven, by a small modern motor. An 8-pin DCC socket is also fitted. 2007 Service Sheet. 2009 Service Sheet. The locomotive body outline, and the tender Body outline and chassis are from the Caledonian Railway Single, No.123. As is the front bogie. (LMS Dean Single is a genuine Hornby error! ) Note the traction tyres shewn on this Service Sheet. Operating & Maintenance Instructions. The locomotive body outline and bogie is from the GWR Dean Single. (No mention of the traction tyres, introduced later?) The original RS.48 “The Victorian” Train set. 1963-1964. http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_details.asp?itemid=1145 Service Sheet 1962. The original locomotive had a traction magnet that acted on both the driving and trailing driving wheels. The magnet attraction on the trailing wheels helped to “stick” the rear of the locomotive to the steel track then in use. Traction magnets are not effective on Nickel Silver rail, as currently used by Hornby, etc. Pick up was by a spring acting on both the driving and trailing wheels. The return being via the chassis and the non insulated locomotive driving and trailing wheels. The 2006 edition train pack. Limited edition of 2500. http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_details.asp?itemid=3837

No, but I did, and was told the reasoning. So I thought that I’d put it in while I was at it!

Also, some of the OH locos had springs that were too powerful and would wreck the OHLE. Locos pulling trains with tail lights on was mainly down to not wanting to modify CVS or other stuff, as a lot of the stock was on loan. When you own everything, then you can modify everything to suit…

Airfix used to make an OO scale pack of plastic Legionnaires….

Ah, thanks. Dublo isn’t my main interest, so I missed that point. We have, or had, the earlier set I think. The Dublo collection is all boxed up just now.

Is it just me? The Royal Scot set puts the loco in Early Crest livery, with maroon coaches? Didn’t the original set come with Carmine and cream coaches? Or are these maroon coaches meant to be in LMS livery?

Though that was after the locomotive had been rebuilt to a conventional format I believe.

Yes, most likely that the body is the same moulding. But I did have a suspicion that the chassis may be different, just a flat chassis with two plastic bogies, rather than the motorised chassis with a clip in section. So, I finally got to having a look… Thankfully, these eBay sellers have taken photos shewing the underside of unpowered Railcars… There IS a clip in section! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/294513706425?hash=item44926285b9:g:ssYAAOSwrghhgHBS With “Horn Hook” Coupling. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303987971387?hash=item46c718553b:g:pOIAAOSwGWpglAwR Powered versions. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265134951850?hash=item3dbb464daa:g:p6EAAOSwnRBggwSj https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265005556974?hash=item3db38fe4ee:g:R7MAAOSwjO1f94uO

If so, don’t let them read any Vogon Poetry!

The Trix Der Adler is, of course, in HO scale…and the motor is in the first coach of the train I believe…

Tri-ang (Lines Bros. Group) had a deal with Shell. Shell supplied lubrication oil in small bottles which has labels for FROG (flying model aircraft), Scalextric, Tri-ang Railways, and probably Minic Motorways (oil bottles were supplied with the cars, but I don’t recall seeing a Minic Motorways label?) Photo from this post…. Shell branding was the only fuel tank brand used by Tri- ang Railways. (Yes, BP was also used, on the other side. This was because Shell and BP had an agreement for sharing rail tankers…) Shell/BP Petrol Tank (Silver). Shell Fuel Oil Tank (Black). Shell Lubricating Oil Tank (Yellow) Also, other Lines Bros Road Tanker models and toys bore Shell branding. Spot-On, Minic, Minic Motorways…

A good use of a Hornby Caley Pug…with a nice Continental coach. Yes, rather nice and full of character!

Yes the Double Ended Diesel (& Electric) locos use a clip in inset carrying the unpowered bogie. The unpowered DE locos having two such sections. The DMU, and SR EMU unpowered cars also have clip in sections… I also don’t know about the unpowered Budd chassis, whether it is similar. The unpowered R.55 type TC A Unit Diesel locos, R. 57, and the B Unit, R.58, use a flat metal chassis, with both unpowered bogies riveted in place. The same flat chassis was used on the unpowered versions of the TC Road Switcher too.

To the best of my knowledge, the unpowered version of the Budd Railcar is less common than the powered ones…I haven’t even seen one yet! The wheel diameter is larger on the R.55, etc. TC Earlier Motor Bogies (EMB). I think that the overall height is too much too. Smaller wheels were used on the EMB used for the DMU and Blue Pullman (the same) and the SR EMU, which has different details. The EMB bogie mounting is also different, using a screw through a hole in the chassis. The Railcar type, LMB, Later Motor Bogie, with the plastic “Top Hat” uses a metal plate that slides around a special nut on the top of the bogie…

It may just be possible to replace the sides of a Hymek bogie with the plastic sides from the Budd railcar. But it would be a bit of a job… Then there is the moulding representing the steps and pilot, that would need fitting to the Hymek bogie…displacing the coupling… Possibly not impossible?

Yes, the MasterModels crane was clearly inspired by the Dinky Goods Yard Crane. Though the jib doesn’t luff. There is an earlier version of the Dinky crane, that doesn’t have the steps in the base. We have that one.

There are two sides to every loco!

That would be good, but the “Match Truck” in the Crash Train Set in the original was a single bolster wagon, with the “pins”, whereas the new set is using a Conflat wagon.