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One of the two Guisborough branch ones (Old John Bull or Old Blue) became a cricket pavilion. That's in Yeadon, I'm fairly sure.

Happened all the time. When banana traffic moved from Hull to Southampton the SR hired 200 banana vans from the LNER rather than build their own. There were a number of special wagons built in the 1930s to Government spec as war preparations; some went to LMS stock, some LNER but they were effectively shared. The Common User agreements around the start of WW1 amount to a permanent sharing arrangement. For carriages I agree it would be less common (although as Bill has mentioned there were inter-company workings where each company supplied a set on alternate days) but there's no reason to suppose it wouldn't happen.

Happy to be corrected on that, but that leaves open the question of what is being referenced here.

That's quite possible, Bill. I'll look into that. We've been looking at a few of these STNs and photographs of excursions and the sheer amount of catering provided is remarkable. We're working round to the conclusion that it's quite plausible that the LNER hired these sets in, especially as they'd apparently been declassed and allocated to excursion traffic by the GW by then. If some of the domestic catering vehicles were OOU for any reason then there might well be a need to look elsewhere for stand-ins.

I did say my knowledge was sketchy......

No, it's quite clear, I think. This is quite a substantial document and there are no other G.W. references. The LNER used their own stock codes, so in the example above the two TOVs are Third Open Vestibuled (= corridor) and the others are compartment Thirds or Brake Thirds with Lavs. There are references to 'L.M.' for the LMS elsewhere as well.

I have a very sketchy awarenes of GW carriages and no in-depth literature, so I'm looking for some more detailed knowledge on something I came across a while ago. I have an LNER Special Traffic Notice for July 1933 (specifically, "LNER (NE area Southern division) Excursion & Special Train Arrangements July 21st to 27th 1933". Apart from a school exucrsion from my home town, this entry caught my eye: Saturday 22nd July No. 209. Hull to King's Cross - Excursion No. 209 - Stock - TOV (Alexandra Laundry party), G. W. Articulated Restaurant Car (30 seats, Alexandra Laundry party; 60 Pioneer Spiritualist party) ; TOV (Pioneer Spiritualist party) ; 2 TKL ; 2 BTKL. We have a GW Restaurant pair leaving Hull on a day excursion to Kings Cross, so presumably returning to Hull afterwards. There are no notes on how the stock arrived in Hull (usually foreign stock is specified along with the service or times at which is arrives). The appearance is of stock which the LNER had use of, whether by loan or hire. Questions, therefore: does the seating capacity match the GW diagrams and are there any records of this stock being loaned out? I gather from Harris that the GW was looking at rebuilding these vehicles by this time and did so a couple of years later. Were they idle and so hired out to bring in some revenue? Colour me intrigued.

He might take a call but an SAE is probably his preferred method of communicating. Based on what I've heard from others in the last few months, you might be in luck if you ask for a list.

If they're etched, he probably still has them. He's done a few runs of NER carriages in recent years. If they're cast and not with 51L then they most likely went to ABS and into a black hole. The range is being revived but I feel for the new owner, it's not going to be easy. Was there anything specific you were interested in?

Rhythm Of Life - Sammy Davis Jr.

Have you tried Caustic Soda, Jim? I use it on models of all materials and it hasn't melted any plastic or resin yet.

Morning Tony, Steve Banks has a page on the Dyno Car with photographs from different eras. I'd say they were always body colour, but you can evaluate for yourself.

If it's any relation to @Clive Mortimore i'll be on a bridge somewhere.

No, they're MJT. It's not a complete etch, just their RCH axleguards. One rocking, one fixed. The brake shoes are the Mainly Trains etched LNER ones. For BR I'd have to use the Airfix ones, I think, unless someone does a cast/etched version of the double shoe. It has just occurred to me that I did a step-by-step for the first time I did this conversion on the LNER Forum. It's been lost from RMWeb during one of the site migrations. There will be some small changes - LMS buffers weren't available then - but in the main it's the same job again. I'm having trouble with the fact that it was 2010 when I did it.....

Only this one which I think you've seen. I was building it during the show so I didn't stop for photographs. I still have it in this condition (with the roof glued down properly) if there's a particular mod you want to see?

I wish I'd seen this thread a long time ago.... my 2022 Warley demonstration was themed on inexpensive wagon kits and rummage bin restorations and a lot of them were Airfix. I built the brake van as an LNER diagram, a very easy conversion. I've kept this one for the display stand as the red plastic shows up the modifications very well. The other two now run on Grantham. I like to take this one to shows to show younger modellers - my son built this with my help when he was 7. I have three on the go on the bench at the moment: These have all had (or are having) the Geoff Kent treatment as described in his 4mm Wagon series of books. Indispensable for anyone who wants to build really accurate and detailed wagons. The older Airfix kits have much less mould wear and (in my experience) better quality plastic than the Dapol production. Apologies if this has already been done to death on the thread. It's a shame the range wasn't much more extensive.

Jamie's on the nose there - all A4s had an extra access panel added below the nameplatein 1938 and yours doesn't have it, so if it is correct it can only be for a fairly short window in 1938. I'd lose the bell. Most models of the loco have it, one without will be more individual.

I agree. Mine has been on the display stand ever since I finished it. I am going to build and paint another one, though.

A very Happy Christmas and all you'd wish for yourselves for the New Year to everyone who visits my thread. Edit - and a festive wagon to go with it.

It was an A4 boiler and looking at online forums might have been passed to Bitterns' owners for use as a spare? Someone directly involved with preservation would be better placed to comment here. The spare A3 boiler came from Salmon Trout (again, I'm open to correction here as this was told to me second hand) and used to be the car park sign at Steamtown, placed beside the entrance. As it was painted regularly it didn't deteriorate and that's why the barrel was still useable so long after it last steamed. I can say I remember it at Steamtown; we used to go very regularly when my dad was in the working party for 4498 and saw it a lot.

Yes. On Flying Scotsman, I believe.

Afternoon mate, I had a notion you'd know. For those who haven't yet been, this is the Fortress of Schoenenbourg. Athough it wasn't working when we visited, the train is still functional and is used for what it was installed for, moving equipment and material round the different areas of the fort. I had an idea of how extensive the works were, but it still comes as something of a surprise to descend almost 100' underground and find you have over a kilometre to walk to get to the far end of the open area. This is the full picture; the tunnel in front extends to a strategic bend and armoured door and then runs twice as far again to one of the artillery emplacements. The locomotives and wagons are original, donated by the French Army when the fortress was reopened as a tourist attraction in 1980. What we took for signals are, but not in the conventional sense. They indicate to pedestrians that the catenary is live and the trains are running. A fascinating and highly educational visit, really well organised and maintained and staffed by volunteers who were approachable, informed and enthusiastic. They also commented that they didn't see too many British visitors, so I'd recommend anyone in the area to do their bit to rectify that. This. The artillery emplacement which is open to visitors was targeted by over 3500 artillery shells in 1940 and still works to this day (see this film from about 4:00).

Bit more catenary for you, Clive. Can you work out where it is? Sort of place you might have visited, with your background.

Morning Clive, Driving through Holland on Sunday and thought you might like some Dutch catenary. No buses, though. It alternated between these nicely curved ones and the much more utilitarian square ones. Sadly Mrs W wasn't quick enough to snap the really good question mark shaped ones on a flyover.

When I did a footplate ride on the Moors about 25 years ago, the driver - who shall remain nameless - waited until there was a long left hand bend, slowed the J27 down a bit and went out of the drivers' cab side. I don't recall looking, but I assume he was confident there would have been no lineside photographers about.