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18 hours ago, Roy Langridge said:

I assume that is entirely assumption on your part?

 

Just because something hasn’t happened, does not mean it will not happen in the future. 
 

Roy

Thats why I used invariably not defiantely

7 hours ago, 1andrew1 said:

The impression I get about this model is that it is designed by Bachmann Europe in conjunction with a third party manufacturer in China as oppose to being designed by Bachmann Europe in conjunction with its parent company Kader.

 

It does look great.

Its by Kernow Models and distributed by Bachmann

3 hours ago, Waverley47708 said:

The announcement got me rereading the old thread on the Hattons one and when I remembered they had made their CAD drawings available, I thought maybe EFE should have downloaded them and saved themselves a bit of work!! 😉

 

EFE Rail is a marketing brand of models designed by others notably Kernow.

To date no EFE Rail model has been offered as part of the Bachmann Collectors Club so a Balfour Beatty one will invariably be a main range model.

Perhaps they have limited the number that can be ordered in the hope they have enough perfect spare ones to cover the barrage of faulty returns based on the issues with the main range issued ones.

4 minutes ago, Harlequin said:

I think it's quite difficult to get colours looking right in CAD renders, so I think we should take them as "indicative" at the moment and wait to see the first samples.

 

Maybe but given their Manors...

1 hour ago, Harlequin said:

 

I'm hoping that they paint the black parts BLACK, not grey like the second batch of Moguls. 😞

 

but will they get the shade of green right - that on the 48xx/14xx looks weird already

True, but that costs a lot more than the red box lot are plainly prepared to pay for = loss of profits

43 minutes ago, Black 5 Bear said:

What's the betting we'll seeing improvements on the highlighted concerns/issues  on both the steam/sound and Rails variants due for release later in the year?

 

 

Based on Rocket absolutely no chance.

2 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Surely an EP model would have been on / off that Hornby test track, connected and disconnected enough times to test that and ID it as a weakness ?

 

some EPs ive seen have been through a hedge backwards, but thats part of the life of an EP is to find these things.

 

 

 

Hornsby EP testing is plainly rubbish as its not the first time . Rocket plainly has a  lashed up prototype arrangement that should never made it to production and seemingly that issue has been recreated with these. Fine if you want one for the dispaly case but if its going to get handled save your £s and spend them on something more reliable than this latest load of rubbish in a red box,. They seem to trading on their name whilst issuing absolute tat tarted up to look nice.

1 hour ago, Covkid said:

Wonder if the lamp on the smokebox can be replaced by a lamp iron.  

Eh? It is a lamp iron on the pictured model

Clearly one headlamp shown.

Looks a lot better with black edged tyres but will they actually turn up like that?

And will they have fixed the issues affecting many of those currently released.

Expects the new 7mm quarry hunslet in liveries additional to those done for 009 and hence the 009 one released in those additional liveries.

Hornby are going to their web pages on locos now - 404  being that of spares parts department

Same situation, save all purchase email confrimation into a separate email folder so just emailed Rails with the info.

2 hours ago, spamcan61 said:

Eh? there's nowt to say that the items in question aren't going to turn up at Bachmann until the 30th day, so it is quite possible that they will be in stock at Rails within the next 30 days.

But equally theres nothing to say they won't. Rails would be better saying Bachmann expect to have received the following models in the next 30 days and we will be receiving stock therafter.

Had two emails both of which cannot be right. One from Bachmann with a link to models  which they are due in the next 30 days and one from Rails with a link to the same Bachmann models they expect to have in the next 30 days. Now unless there is some immediate Star Trek like transporter between Barwell and Sheffield, Rails what they expect to have in the next 30 days needs to be a few days longer.

As Bachmann products they need a clear obvious branding to say they are not 4mm OO / OO9. There were stories of people buying Lyddle End buildings thinking they were 4mm because it said Hornby on the box. NG7 clearly does that which 0-16.5 might not to some.

Wonder what Hornbys reaction would be if someone sent them a payable invoice for the time and materials used to correct it.

Expects a preserved version to be announced complete with a fixed Do Not Move sign at it after their clanger with painting over the windows on the North British Distillery 88DS

48 minutes ago, D9020 Nimbus said:

Ivatt 2MT tanks were push-pull fitted (or at least some were), presumably a different mechanism to that used by the Maunsell sets?

They were used with the push pull sets but only as loco hauled stock with the Ivatt running round.

20 hours ago, Dunsignalling said:

Whether or not the 2P was 100% ready to go when transferred to Palitoy, its DNA and the shared 4F tender drive unit were pure Airfix. The couplers and the way they were attached bore no resemblance to the way Mainline did things.

 

Airfix were also developing other items that got cancelled along with the Compound, notably an SR Schools. It's also likely that Bachmann's Bulleid and Collett coaches, the Queen Mary brake van, and possibly the Lord Nelson had their earliest roots with Airfix.

The cancellation of the Compound was only a few months before Airfix went out of business and both it and the 56 were surprise announcements by Mainline/Palitoy, neither having been mentioned previously. It could have been a case that the agreement with Kader was approaching renewal and Palitoy wanted to explore the other manuafacturing option that had opened up. Tooling the 2P was clearly made than much simpler with the 4F tender available. Pat Hammond in  British Model Trains Catalogue only notes the Stanier all 3rd (subsequently released by Replica in 1990) and the 12 wheel diner (subsequently released by Dapol in 1985) as having had work started on. The Lord Nelson, which Bachmann released in 1992, was being developed by Palitoy, the Bachmann Bullieds of 1993 were planned Airfix who had produced some sample models, the Collett coaches were released by Mainline/Palitoy in 1983 and sold out quickly, Replica having batches made in 1987 and 1989 before they were released in the Bachmann range in 1991. The Queen Mary brake van was planned by Palitoy for 1985 eventually arriving as a Bachmann model  in 1996.

50 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

Don't forget that Airfix also offered a pretty fair selection of LMS stuff, though the 2P didn't appear until after the range had passed to Mainline.

Airfix had planned a Compound which was pulled when Hornby announced theres. Maybe work was diverted to the 2P but there was no official announcement of it until Palitoys for Mainline. Same with the 56 so maybe Palitoy were exploring alternative manufacuring to the tie they had with Kader which (speculates) may have been approaching the end of teh original agreement.

The J50 with the 08 makes a small mid- late 1950s/early 1960s TT yard layout a possibility.

10 hours ago, Sweep said:

are we still on for May or June for release dates?

 

If you look at Bachmanns web site it will tell you that

"Mid 1980s" https://www.flickr.com/photos/191731185@N06/51383915695

1994 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/136588110@N03/53365880793

Releasing the tension of the over centre spring slightly may help. Easy to do with older Peco points with the over centre spring on top and slight pushing away of its mount from the tie bar