DRS Crewe On A Mission

Just been thinking again... It wouldn't make sense to produce 608 three times. It also wouldn't make sense to produce 611 twice. Really batch three can be ignored because I'm sure the majority of people would rather have 608 and 611 in Europhoenix livery as opposed to plain DRS blue. Also 609 from batch one can be renumbered to 038, 059, 069 and 218. So really they wouldn't need to be produced as 609 could just be renumbered. I'm also not sure if 610 in BR Large Logo Blue would sell as a minimum of 504 models. What does everyone think about my suggestions for batches one and two?

I was thinking about the 37/6s again yesterday. My idea is that if two of the three new noses could be produced. I think that the flush and headcode noses are the best and most worthwhile if the tooling was upgraded. I think it would be pointless producing the locos with the door noses because this only accounts for 602 and 605. 605 has already been produced as a Limited Edition by R3Sprays and Olivia's Trains a few years ago. This would probably mean that it would be impossible for it to be produced again as another Limited Edition commissioned by another retailer a few years later. This just leaves 602 and it wouldn't be financially viable to upgrade the tooling to produce one loco. This wouldn't make sense at all. So focusing on the flush and headcode noses. I was thinking two different batches. Batch one could include the main liveries that the locos have worn the longest. Batch One 37606 & 37607 in DRS Compass livery as a twin pack 37608 in original DRS Blue 37609 in DRS Revised livery Batch Two 37423 in DRS Basic livery 37608 & 37611 in Europhoenix livery as a twin pack 37607 & 37612 in HNRC Orange (possibly, if and when they are repainted) as a twin pack 37610 in BR Large Logo Blue livery This would then also allow an opportunity for a third batch if their was evidence from batches one and two that their was still further demand. 37608 & 37611 in DRS Plain Blue with Europhoenix logos as a twin pack 37038 or 059 or 69 as a single model This would allow for all of the different liveries to be produced which would cover a lot of the running numbers which would make the upgrade to the tooling more worthwhile. The reason that I have suggested 606 and 607 in DRS Compass livery as a twin pack is so that Revised liveried 609 could be included in batch one. I am aware that 610 and 612 have slight differences when compared with 606-609. Personally I wouldn't mind these minor differences been overlooked if we got to see 610 in BR Large Logo Blue and 612 in (possibly) HNRC livery produced. The idea of the three different batches is that if batch one sells well this would suggest that their would be demand for the newer liveries in batch two. Batch three is merely a suggestion as 609 in DRS Revised could be renumbered to 038, 059 and 069 and their may not be demand for 608 and 611 in DRS Plain Blue with the Europhoenix logos, especially now that they have both been repainted into Europhoenix livery. I'm sure that batches one and two would be good sellers. As I have previously mentioned these are my own ideas and suggestions. Some may agree and some may disagree.

I'm really hoping that Hornby bring out 023 or 027 or both next year. Surely these locos would be really good sellers.

You're really welcome. It's an easy mistake to make. I do it on a regular basis.

Looks like their were five in the convoy. 70805, 70814, 70813, 70812 and 70803 working 0Z98 Cardiff Canton to Bescot Up Engineers Sidings. Hope this helps.

I completely agree with you too. It would make sense to release a DB Schenker branded 60 which at the moment does represent most of the fleet. An un-named 60 too would be perfect because this too would represent most of the fleet and customers could name their own locos if and where appropriate. The DB Schenker branding could also be removed to add the small DB logos to the sides and the larger DB logos if/when these are applied. An un-named DB Schenker Red Class 60 would be perfect.

If I'm honest I thought the same. Unless they model 60100 with just the DB branding. I prefer the larger DB logos that the repainted 66s now sport. I think the smaller DB logos on the side of 60100 look lost.

Sorry Jim. I thought that was you. My mistake. I thought the same regarding the Colas 60. I have never attempted removing a nameplate printed or etched. I am too afraid of removing or damaging the paint work. Are you just sticking with 60087 then?

I'm sure a plain DB Red 60 will appear in 2018. If it doesn't I will be very shocked.

I have been wanting a plain DB Red 60 for a while now. I am sure that "Big Jim" of this forum posted a while ago that a Colas one was due to be released in 2017 which would seem correct because 60087 is due to be released over the summer. Jim also said that Hornby had planned to produce and release a plain DB Red 60 in 2018. I would think that this is true. It's bound to be a hugely popular model. I really hope so.

Thank you for the list. I really appreciate it. What is just as good is that many of the above haven't been produced by Bachmann yet. These are: 057, 116, 175, 219, 254, 403, 407, 419, 422, 425, 516, 518, 601, 603, 604, 668, 669, 685, 716, 800, 301 and 302. *254 hasn't been produced in Colas Rail livery yet, 422 hasn't been produced in DRS blue yet and 425 hasn't been produced in DRS Compass livery yet. It's good to see that Bachmann have lots of opportunities to model current and active in traffic Class 37s as well as the ones with the new noses and wipac lighting.

Thank you for the help mate. I really appreciate it but unfortunately I don't have a track plan. I figured that with the amount of depot space and sidings that I wanted on the layout it would be impossible to fully follow a track plan. Basically the whole layout has been constructed through trial and error. For example I had to take a few sidings up earlier this year because some locos were derailing due to the points and the smaller radius curves. However most of the layout has worked fine since I originally constructed it.

I'm currently thinking that their might be some changed to the TMD which may involve adding/swopping/changes some buildings which may mean that the track has to be rearranged.

It's a TMD with two full circuits of track going around it. There are also lots of sidings around the layout.

Thank you very much Ben. I really appreciate it mate. I was hoping to add some photos but their have been a few teething problems with what's in the photos. Hopefully I am sorting this out this coming week and their will be some photos following soon. Thank you for the follow again mate.

Thank you very much for this reply and idea. I really appreciate it. I didn't even think of this and I just happen to have some of these somewhere I think from some wagons that I didn't end up using. It's worth a try. I will try this and let you know how it goes. Thank you very much.

Thank you very much for the reply. I really appreciate it. I think they are too. They go out to the sides too much which means that when they are turning corners with other locos or stock in tow the couplings are coming lose, falling off and then derailing the locos. Or sometimes the locos are getting caught on one another because the couplings have too much room for movement. I'm going to try and glue the NEM pockets on and put the couplings in that way and do away with the sprung couplings. Hopefully this will work. I will let you know how it goes.

See their are quite a few 37s with the new noses and wipac lighting but because their are three variations it's not something that can be easily replicated to create the whole fleet with only one modification/upgrade to the tooling. This is a shame in the aspect of Bachmann are less likely to produce them in a hurry. The locos with new noses and wipac lighting are: 038, 059, 069, 218, 259, 423, 602, 605, 606, 607, 608, 609, 610, 611 and 612. So that's fifteen locos in total with three types of noses. Personally I wouldn't expect Bachmann to produce the door noses/locos as only 602 and 605 have these. Also R3Sprays and Olivia's Trains have produced 605 as a Limited Edition model and also did several resprays and conversions numbered 602. It would be good if the flush noses and headcode noses/locos could be produced. That would allow thirteen locos to be produced. Obviously it's unlikely that all of them would be produced but certainly some numbers and liveries could be selected and then renumbered by modellers/collectors if they wanted to. Yes these locos do have minor differences but I would be quite happy to ignore these if I was going to renumber some locos to other locos. The advantage here is that two modifications to the tooling as opposed to three would make it more possible and viable and their are at least seven liveries to model and potentially more in the future. It's a shame that Bachmann don't have these 37s listed in the wishlist poll that I think they do once every year. I'm sure if these 37s were on the list they would be quite popular.

Thank you very much for the reply. I really appreciate it. I have been trying to run two 68s coupled together and when they are going around corners (curved track) because the couplings are on springs they are turning too much to one side, which in due course is unhooking the couplings, they fall off and then derail the locos. Has anyone else had this problem when running two or more 68s coupled together? If so how did you solve it? I have just ordered some NEM pockets and couplings. I am going to remove the couplings attached to the springs and then glue the pockets underneath the loco and put the couplings in. I have done this before with the ViTrains couplings on their 47s and it has worked, so I am hoping that it will work with the 68s too. Thank you very much in advance.

Hi all, I wonder if anyone can help me please? Yesterday I tried running my 68010 and 68014 locos together in a consist. Got them coupled up and started them moving but they didn't even do one circuit of the track before one of the couplings came off and they derailed. I think that this is because the couplings are springs and when the locos turn the corners they move way too easily to the sides which causes them to become unhooked and then the locos buffers get caught and fastened onto one another which causes the locos to derail and the couplings to fall off. Has anyone else had this problem when running two or more 68s together? If so how did you resolve it? Thank you very much in advance.

It's good to hear that other people think that Bachmann need to upgrade their Class 37 to incorporate the new noses and wipac lighting. Surely with all of the different liveries that they wear now and in the future this makes it more worthwhile and financially viable.

I was advised by Rails themselves on another thread to make suggestions on this thread. I don't see the problem with wishlisting or making suggestions for future commissions. Either way I alike every other member am allowed to express my views and opinions. I am simply listing loco numbers and liveries. I don't see the problem here. I have acknowledged that some people may agree with my suggestions and some people may disagree.

Sorry I must have missed this comment. I completely agree and see your point. Bachmann may as well make the most use of the tooling that they already have. Bachmann have also just released another batch of DRS Compass 37405 and Colas Rail 37421. 37424/37558 has also been announced as a Limited Edition pack. This makes good use of the domino noses and lighting but sooner or later they are going to run out of options when using this tooling. Hopefully an upgrade in the tooling will happen to produce other 37s sooner or later.

From my view whether it says possible new commissions or wishlisting it means the exact same thing. It means typing loco numbers and liveries in the comments for suggestions. No where in this thread does it say that their is a restricted amount of suggestions that you can make and this is what the thread is for. How do retailers know what they want to commission manufacturers to produce if they don't ask the public to make suggestsions and for their input. All of the locos that I have suggested are good suggestions as far as I am concerned. The majority are 37s and 66s which considering that Bachmann are producing these left, right and centre at the moment I don't see the problem with suggesting more of them. Regarding the 37s they are something that I would like to see produced personally because they cost too much to have produced. At least £120 for a Compass base model (37402 or 37405), wipac noses are £35, the cost to actually have the noses changed and fitted and then to make the lights work, the cost of the lights and Special Delivery signed for postage both ways. This could cost £265 per loco to just have one converted. This is far too expensive and Bachmann could produced them for a lot less either as a standard model, Limited Edition or Special Edition.

Thank you very much for posting the price list. I really appreciate it. Those prices are fantastic. Especially if you would like to buy more than one model because after the first one you buy they are £15 cheaper. I will definitely be buying some of the crowdfunded models. Really looking forward to these locos. Thank you very much.