R Marshall

On 05/11/2020 at 18:09, micknich2003 said:

The latest tome from the North Eastern Rly Assoc is NERly Engine Sheds. 216 pages, £24.95, see attached for full details.

Mick,

I want one of those - might look in the NERA shop now!

Regards,

Roy

The location in the photo looks like Pelaw, perhaps?

Mousa Models ( there's no "n") is, or was owned by Bill Bedford.

I guess it's named after the Isle of Mousa in Shetland and its famous Broch.

Some years ago, Bill reduced some 4mm etches of Conflat L wagons and their powder containers for me. I'm ashamed to say I've made no progress with them, but they're nice etches and will be finished at some point.

The wagons will run with a train of Farish Covhops - both types were used regularly in the Thrislington to Steetley limestone trains. Often behind a Q6 or WD.

Sorry to depart from topic!

Regards,

Roy

On 27/09/2020 at 15:12, wellseasoned said:

This page has gone dead, is there a loss of interest?   I would have thought with the levels of lockdown posts would have increased.

I'm still interested and browse now and again.

Lockdown gave me the opportunity to finish (at last!) the sides of 2 Thompson non-vestibule Brake 3rds. I was all ready to fit them when I decided to order some Modelu passengers , so I need to finish and install them, before the sides go on.

I think photographs will show up the imperfections most cruelly. But at normal viewing distance they'll be ok.

It was this page that inspired me to try kit-building carriages and DavidK71 was very helpful.

I'm busy improving track work at the moment, then I've 2 turnouts to build, a Union Mills J25 and J27 to modify, etc, etc, but I do think I'll try more carriages at some point - there's great satisfaction in making something yourself.

On 06/08/2020 at 18:21, AY Mod said:

 

Yes, I get fed up with infantile whining as do many others. Baiting me means you'll find some delays in posting so I can bin future whinges before they get published.

I was astonished to read some of your replies above.

I wonder if anyone else thinks your posts are unnecessarily insulting in tone, as I do.

Who moderates the moderators?

Neither of the Worsdells had problems with the enginemen and they certainly innovated in terms of NER practice. The Tennant's cylinders were 18" x 24", as were the 901s and the later Worsdell Class Ds and Fs.

All of these had tractive effort superior to the 38s. Now I'm not an engineer and the above takes no account of the Worsdell classes in compound form, but I think it's an indication the the 38s were not up to top link jobs.

Maybe McDonnell was too autocratic for the free spirits of the North East?

On 13/06/2020 at 18:55, Compound2632 said:

 

Exactly so - at least by the last third of the 19th century, say. An incompetent CME is one who failed to manage his department effectively - on fruit of that might be ineffective locomotive designs but not necessarily so - vide Wainwright. The older title of Locomotive Superintendent stresses the managerial rather then engineering aspect of the role. 

 

Alexander McDonnell is an example of a Locomotive Superintendent whose person management skills weren't up to the job, when faced with drivers averse to innovation.

Innovation may have been one cause, but his 4-4-0s were reportedly inferior in performance to Fletcher's 2-4-0s. Apparently he caused a riot at Armstrongs.

On 27/05/2020 at 12:24, dvdlcs said:

 

I was interested to see the quantity of coal in the tenders and bunkers. I would have assumed that locomotives receiving works attention would be defuelled beforehand. Not only has that not been done, but the tender in the middle and the bunker on the right seem to be near capacity.

 

The tank loco on the right also seems to be off its wheels, so removing a few tons of coal from the bunker prior to lifting it would have made sense to me.

 

Was leaving coal (and perhaps water) in/on the locomotive normal practice in steam days?

I can only guess, but getting coal out of quite a small (J72) bunker is quite a job - I've only done it once, by hand with a shovel, (and I had help!) and it's hard to see how else, without damaging the tender or bunker. I think it would depend on the nature and extent of the overhaul and would be done only if essential.

On 23/05/2020 at 21:41, Market65 said:

Another photo’ I’ve found, this evening, is a bit of a mystery, and perhaps someone can give some information about it. It’s from John Law, on Flickr. It shows two trains at Hornsea Town station, but there are no other details. I can see that the train on the left has a ‘Hornsea Express’ headboard.

 

hornsea station photographer unknown for flickr by John Law, on Flickr

 

Best regards,

 

 Rob.

Rob,

All I can tell is that the locomotive on the left is a NER 0-6-0, so must (?) be a Class C (J21). The train on the right looks to be push pull fitted. I'm guessing there's a BTP (G6) or Class O (G5) between two carriages.

Please treat my guesses with caution!

Regards,

Roy

On 12/02/2020 at 21:49, Porcy Mane said:

 

 

9/10 for Bachmann then. How does the GS buffers look on the model? My measurement of the buffer beam has it to shallow on the model not leaving the space above the buffers and coupling plate.

 

 

BUT Joem has the buffers tight up against the running plate flange

Porcy,

The illustration of the model isn't huge, but I think they've got them at the right position for 69023 (front view only, mind). It's not clear whether they've tried to get the white lining across the top, but, if they have, that's another easy fix.

I'll try to post a pic of 69023 from 2015. Needless to say, the positioning of the buffers hasn't moved.

Regards,

Roy

8 hours ago, Porcy Mane said:

 

Correct.

So I wonder, will the collectors club "Joem" come with group standard buffers & external rear sandoxes and how long it will be until either pilots, 68723 or 68736  (also had a green SV cover) make an appearance in the standard range?  Maybe not to long as the artwork for the tampos will then be on the factory shelf.

Porcy,

The answers are yes and yes re buffers and rear sandboxes, from the illustration I've seen.

However, in the illustration, it has 3-link couplings, but that would be an easy fix.

Regards,

Roy

23 hours ago, Porcy Mane said:

 Ho ho. 

 

A request will be raised to inspect the original. Likely not to be in the immediate future though.

 

 (I went through all this for the Q6)

Porcy,

Apologies for going off topic.

I've got a picture of the 63395 tender rear at Sunderland in September 1966, numbered 8796.

This is later than the last tender change (8755) entered on the General Overhaul Record Sheet for 63395.

Either way, these were both tenders from NER Class Z Atlantics (LNER Class C7).

Regards,

Roy

Porcy, I think you're right - it's not a 1.

On 24/01/2020 at 09:41, Axlebox said:

The shaped cab spectacles came about after a petition was received from footplate staff at West Auckland who wanted a better forward view...2 of the last J26s in service were still at West Auckland in June 1962 (65731 and 65735)...and of course 65735 was still fitted with round cab spectacles!

 

In May 1962 the photographer Ian Carr traveled up Weardale behind 65735 on the pick up goods, taking some great photographs along the way, as here at Stanhope.

 

 

That's an interesting picture - if you zoom in on the tender number plate, although to my eyes it looks like 9601, it must be 8601. According to RCTS Locomotives of the LNER Part 10A, page 89, this was a D17 3940 gallon tender.

Regards,

Roy

On 11/12/2019 at 23:10, Porcy Mane said:

 

68674 had a composite rear buffer beam.

 

One thing we've never manage to work out is how many of the first 20 were converted to asymmetric pulls on the brake gear.

Porcy,

It's interesting that they've got the shape of the middle brake table right (it's different from the other two), when it won't be seen unless the model is held upside down.

Regards, Roy

Hardwicke and 1621 (M1/D17) have strong claims to be modelled through their performances in the Race to the North in 1895.

Obviously, I'm heavily biased, but 1621 is as elegant a contender as you'll find anywhere.

On 10/09/2019 at 15:37, Worsdell forever said:

 

Yes, it's the best seller on pre-sales, apparently they were too far gone when they found out it was wrong otherwise they wouldn't have done it. A shame really as I thought RTR was more 'informed' lately and was getting away from silly avoidable inaccuracies.

I don't think it's true "too far gone" - I certainly tried to tell them a good while ago (years, not months). However, they may have made the right call for sales.

On 18/07/2019 at 22:16, micknich2003 said:

Springhead erecting shop c1925.

This is a very puzzling picture. The locomotive at bottom left is D22 number 115 (ex-NER Class F), a 4-coupled engine, but the rods on the floor beside it are from an 8-coupled engine - you wouldn't want to drag those rods very far! Hopefully this means the locomotive next to it is a H&B Q10?

Great source - love the NER pictures - especially the B15!

Mick, that's a great picture!

Is it your signalling book with the Atlantic on the cover?

Regards,

Roy

On 12/04/2019 at 03:52, G567281 said:

I would be grateful if anyone can direct me to a photograph of Class J27 65817 in the 1960’s when it was shedded at Thornaby and should have the late crest.  As a sidebar, Yeadon’s book shows it with the early crest and 65837 with the late crest. 

 

Many thanks.

The Colour Rail site has 4 pictures of 65817 (I have no vested interest in Colour Rail - I use the site a lot for downloads and modelling reference). 

Although the dates are 1958 to 1967, they're noted as being at Sunderland.

7 minutes ago, Shiney Sheff said:

ooh, they do look good, glad I have ordered mine with the anticipated ( from a certain big box shifter ) delivery date being May.

This May?

See the thread on Planned Farish releases - says January next, unless I'm reading it wrongly.

4 hours ago, Brit70053 said:

 

Agreed Roy, producing full sized kits of parts from the fully assembled model is quite time consuming, especially if you have to take all the notes as well.

Your 2mm stuff looks to be just the distraction needed to keep you otherwise occupied.

 

With apologies for straying slightly OT, but intended as encouragement in both scales.

Regards,

 

               John (from the lathe bench)

 

John,

Aye, but at least we've got a J72 in that scale!

Regards,

Roy

12 hours ago, grahame said:

 

For me it doesn't really matter whether it is steam or diesel but that the loco is appropriate. As such, as well as the NGS Hunslet, there are also suitable RTR diesels for performing shunting roles from Farish and Dapol.  

 

And yes, it is a pity there is nothing RTR for NE steam tank locos but I understand that there is quite a choice of kits - AtsoCad do 3D body prints of LNER N2, C12, V1, V3 and Y5 and there are white metal body kits from Langley Models of LNER L3(L1), N2 and N7/3. However, obtaining suitable motor chassis are often the stumbling block. But it is possible to build a kit and mount it on a RTR chassis as I did with this SR Z class heavy steam tank shunting loco:

 

 

G

 

Graham,

I read the article on the construction of that locomotive with interest - great model.

I didn't mean it to come across as a moan - there are lots of great models to choose from - the new Thompson carriages look superb. I'm really content - I've added to my UM D20 and 2 x J26s, so the next step is a kit of some sort, or a 3D print. I'm also pleased with the Etched Pixels Thompson set I'm working on. After that, the next challenge is some Bill Bedford etches of Conflat Ls. Not to mention my first two turnouts from Britsh Finescale.

So, not a moan at all, just not enough time in the day, especially with 12" to the foot models taking up some of that time!

Here's a picture of my D20 with latest tender.

Regards,

Roy