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The tender on 63395 is almost certainly not what it claims to be.
63395 changed tender sometime around 1961 to the type it was built with (4195 gallon with round frame slots and coal rails sloping down at the ends).
It then changed tender in March 1965 then again on 30th September 1965 to the current one. This tender is a 3940 gallon type and was new in 1911 attached to Q5 no.771. However the box is now a 4195 gallon type. I can't find a record of when it was rebuilt.
This gives it as having four or four-and-a-half tenders in BR days.
Hope this helps but it probably confuses more than anything...
Les
Les,
I know that you know the capacity of Q6 tenders, so a typo, presumably?
For the unwary - all large capacity tenders coupled to Q6s were 4125 gallons and I believe the current version with 63395 is no different.
Regards,
Roy
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An earlier view of Lowthorpe.
Mick,
The number on the buffer beam seems to indicate a NER Class P1 (J25), perhaps 2036 or 2038?
Regards,
Roy Marshall
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A further picture of the Diagram 338 with better surroundings - hopefully does more justice to the kit.
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Joint Dock Junction was installed by the NERly for construction traffic to acsess the new dock. The then Withernsea Branch is on the left, and the new Dock Branch is to the right. Apart from the signalbox and junction etc, an almost identical view could be taken today and appox 110 years later.
Mick,
Nice bridge detail.
Regards,
Roy
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Thanks Rob.
The view is taken looking towards Andrews House, East Tanfield is behind me.
The short siding at Causey is used when trains terminate there to hold the second loco as there is no run round loop. Passengers detrain, the train draws forward (running me over if I am still there!) until it is at least a loco length beyond the points.
The loco then leaves the siding, couples onto the train and draws it into the platform. The loco which was hauling the train then moves into the siding.
Causey is usually only used as the terminus if engineering work is going on at East Tanfield.
Wagons can also be displayed in the siding.
Perhaps I should mention that trains start at Andrews House and run north to Sunniside, the northern terminus. The loco runs round, the train heads south back through Andrews House to Causey and then on to East Tanfield, the southern terminus. Then run round again and return to Andrews House through Causey.
The loco shed and stock sidings are at Marley Hill, just to the north of Andrews House. Tanfield's web site : http://www.tanfield-railway.co.uk/ which explains everything.
David
David,
Tanfield Railway is always good value - you may already know, but Steam Railway says that KESR USA tank 30065 is visiting for the gala on 11/12 June - I'd no idea that some of these worked for the NCB in the North East.
Here's a couple of pictures of the pair of Y7s visiting in 2009 - I'm afraid I had to crop them from 2mb originals.
Regards,
Roy
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A long day in the workshop.
but not the best of days overall....
I did get some groundwork done on No Place, so there will be pictures on that thread shortly.
More work done on locos. I've found a tin with some chips inside, and have been using some of these to move a couple of locos temporarily from the Rise Park fleet. One of these, the ex-LMS 0-6-0 diesel, can move to the Hawthorn Dene Colliery roster.
The loco in question. It is a ?Parkwood? resin kit on a Fleischmann chassis. I've looked at the speed curve for this and it now starts more cleanly than it did before. However this idiot programmed in address 3011 instead of 2011. I'll change it tomorrow.
The blue pannier tank- an eBay purchase. I'm slowly getting a set of good reliable runners for the colliery, so I should be able to indulge in a spot more shunting when I've sorted out the odd intermittent short circuit.
Back in the Hawthorn Dene fleet is 61005 Bongo. I hadn't noticed the number on the side is crooked, despite it being about 4 years since I renumbered it. I'm not going to correct it- life is too short. As it is a Great Eastern Section loco I'm going to leave it clean- when used on HD or Croft Spa it can be "running in after overhaul at Darlington works".
The last of the additions, which at some time in the future will be renumbered as I think Geoff has one with the same number on Rise Park is the Black 5. It didn't want to run at first and took a couple of laps to settle down. Even now it is a little hesitant on dead frog points. I'll find one that was photographed working North of York on the Red Bank newspapers and renumber it appropriately. How dirty it becomes will depend on what is in the photograph.
Mid-afternoon I noticed that one piece of track on the Northbound anticlockwise circuit had lost a couple of sleeper ends- this is the first sign that it is about to disintegrate. How do I know? the other three bends on the main line, and both ends of Furtwangen Ost including two Setrack points have already done so. Reason- Track Magic. I used it extensively at first, following the guidance to put some on a cloth and rubbing it on the rails in the fiddle yard and letting the trains carry it round the layout. HOWEVER it reacts with the plastic of Setrack and rots it. Streamline is unaffected by it, thankfully, being a different plastic. Naturally as soon as I realised what was causing it I consigned the rest of the track cleaning solvents into the bottle of assorted paint stripper.
I have spare curves of all three Setrack radii, so I thought I'd lift the two affected lengths and put new ones in. However the straights at either end of the curve disintegrated, as did the two curves. Have I any spare Setrack straights in the box? Of course not. The pics show the damage.
broken rails again.jpgbroken track yetagain.jpgOf course it has to be Bank Holiday weekend, so there won't be anyone open until Tuesday. I'll call in at Access Models on the way home from the club on Tuesday, and lay in a supply of Setrack short straights and extra curves of each radius. I'll use any spares when I build Croft Spa later in the year.
Les
Les,
I use wine bottle corks for cleaning - non-abrasive and very effective. I realise it might be a bit labour intensive on a layout of this size, however!
Regards,
Roy
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Finally some progress to report on my Thompson CL Diagram 338 (much of last year was taken up with an extension to our home (I now have a railway room!)). After several potential materials for rain strips proved to be unsatisfactory, I decided to leave them off, rather than spoil the roof. I painted the interior - dark blue seats in 1st class and red-brown in 3rd, with cream panels above the seating - using acrylics. Then the interior glazing in the half corridors was fitted - important to make sure it fits under the roof and that the lower edges of the interior windows aren't too high. Halfords Vauxhall Crimson for the top coat on the sides (door handles picked out in gold metallic acrylic) and matt varnish overall. Then the glazing was added, using Glue 'n Glaze to fix it - a very delicate operation. and finally the sides were glued on. I'm attaching a picture to show the result - the quality of the pic isn't great I'm afraid.
This kit was at the very limit of my ability and I know where all the flaws are in my construction. Nevertheless I'm pleased with the result and have started the first of two Diagram 340 Brake/3rds. I can't speak too highly of the kits.
Having started with the D338, I made better progress with the D340. I superglued the surface of the roof before sanding, priming and sanding again and this gave a smoother result. I used a 0.95mm bit in a pin vice to open out the holes for the ventilators and glued them in. When I glued on the etched ends and the buffers to the body shell, I made sure to leave the top of the guard's end loose, so as to be able to insert the glazing after painting the inside and outside of the shell. A couple of pictures to show how it's going - the body is all finished apart from the etched sides. Next job is to drill them for handles, roll in the tumble home and fit drop lights, ventilators and door handles, before painting.
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Another shed day
I knew that Tuesday and Wednesday weren't going to be available so this is the first workshop day since Monday. Big shopping tomorrow means a short day, and Saturday will be lawns (only chance of a fine spell seems to be to get up early) then hopefully off to Stamford to have a look round the show and scout for next year's South Notts Show- though the latter will depend on how long the lawns take....
SUGAR PALM is all-but done. I'm still debating whether to add another coat of grime to the render, but there are more locos in the queue. I gave 61321 a service and a light coat of grime followed by matt varnish. This time I've used Tamiya stuff, which seems to have a better chance of actually drying matt than the Humbrol. I still need lamps for SUGAR PALM. There are three shows over the next three weekends so hopefully there will be lamps on 60526 by the time we get to Manchester. This is the only one of the three A2s that will take eight coaches without slipping. 60539 is the weakest of the threee- the V2 with outside steampipes is stronger.
61321 on the coal train. Having looked at its wheels I have a horrible feeling this loco might be starting to wear out. Certainly it has worked the coal empties (a heavy train) throughout each exhibition, and before DCC conversion was used on Stamford East occasionally. I reckon it has done about 16 or 17 miles. I was hoping it might last until Dave Jones gets his Q6 in the shops- the Q6 is the long term loco for this train.
Lastly, I have put number panels on the empty hoppers in the train, which is temporarily set up with a brake in the middle as well as the back so I can see which wagons still need some work on them. The 16T is not easy to read, but can be made out if you try hard enough. I'll add some muck once I've varnished over the transfers, probably Sunday for the varnish and Monday or Wednesday for the grime.
No Place got a little ground cover done but nothing much. I'm still searching for inspiration here..
Les
Les,
I've got the same plates for 60526 - I plan to repaint the red background to black, because all the colour pics I've got of A2s, including 60526 and except only 60505, seem to show up black - difficult to be sure because of the grime on some. Not a very representative sample of A2s, but the only other red background plate on any pacific is in 60007 dated 1956.
Regards,
Roy
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Well I can't compete with that, but here is a couple from the NYMR last Saturday.
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Sixty years ago this August, an A7 under repair at Springhead.
Mick,
Outstanding picture - love all the big NER tanks.
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Some photos from visits made by Dad to Rugby, I think I may have been with him when he took the two with trains in them. The only information I have about these photos is in the captions.
a_Rugby Class 83 E3025 Euston to Liverpool Lime St March 67_J818.jpgRugby Class 83 E3025 Euston to Liverpool Lime St March 67 J818
a_Rugby Class 86 E3156 up oil empties Rowley regis to Thameshaven March 67_J819.jpgRugby Class 86 E3156 up oil empties Rowley Regis (?) to Thameshaven March 67 J819
b_Rugby MR viaduct over A426 May 71_J2644.jpgRugby MR viaduct over A426 May 71 J2644
b_Rugby GCR bridge over A5 May 71_J2645.jpgRugby GCR bridge over A5 May 71 J2645
e_Clifton_Mill_LNWR Rugby to Peterborough branch of LNWR April 71_J2647.jpgClifton Mill LNWR Rugby to Peterborough branch of LNWR April 71 J2647
c_Rugby_Central remains of GCR station May 71_J2649.jpgRugby Central remains of GCR station May 71 J2649
David
David,
That last picture leaves me very angry at the lack of strategic vision at the time - what a waste! It's easy to rip up the infrastructure, but putting any of it back costs a mint.
Sorry for the outburst.
Regards,
Roy
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60007 at Grosmont, 22nd June 2013 - cropped to fit the upload limit. A bit dark, perhaps.
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Tom,
Have a look at photo-forums.net - on there look at the Time Capsules section, then look at contributor Chris Davies (sadly no longer with us) - he put up a lot of pictures of Hendon, Ryhope, Hawthorn and West Hartlepool (amongst others). I know it's the wrong side of the Wear for your model, but these pictures capture the essence of the area and they're in colour.
I understand there's an exhibition of Ian Carr's pictures at Monkwearmouth Museum currently - I mean to have a look this week.
Regards,
Roy
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Hi, Roy. That is a lovely photo which you have not posted before. If you have any more please post them. Thank you.
With best regards,
Rob.
P.S. The year will be 1988.
Rob,
Here's 4468 backing down onto the train at York (same day in 1988 as I recall it) and 92220 at Scarborough in 1976 (both scans).
Not much more from East Yorkshire - is NYMR acceptable?
Regards,
Roy
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Apologies if I've posted this before (it's an age thing) and for the quality (this is a scanned photo).
I think this would be 1988.
Regards,
Roy
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Very pleased to hear about your mum returning home.
Aycliffe, is that where the Consett line crossed the ECML (and where the Junction used to be)?
Phil
Phil,
Aycliffe is between Ferryhill and Darlington. One of the lines from Shildon crossed the main line there on its way to Stillington and Stockton.
You may be thinking of South Pelaw Junction, just South of Birtley, or of Relly Mill, just South of Durham.
Regards,
Roy Marshall
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There are not too many differences to the NER days, long tail rods, and buffers are the main differences that I am aware of. Boilers were updated but I think Hornby have already picked those up. So it is possible and likely that a NER livery is possible.
Differences in NER days depend on how picky you are - here are some (forgive my shorthand):
1) Tenders were of the types I have previously arbitrarily classed as A (3940 gallons, continuous coal rails, D-shaped frame slots) - 1913 batch of 30 engines; D (4125 gallons, rails terminate abruptly at rear of coal space, oval shaped frame slots) - 1917 batch of 20 engines; E (4125 gallons, rails curve down at rear of coal space, oval shaped frame slots) - 1918/21 batch of 70 engines. The 4125 gallon tenders displaced from NER Atlantics with continuous coal rails (types B and C) were not attached until after the 1923 Grouping.
2) Diagram 50 boilers were fitted in NER days. The dome cover was more curved than on the later 50A boilers and sat further forward, on the 2nd boiler band from the front.
3) NER T2 (Q6) locos had twin whistles.
4) Ross Pop safety valves were fitted with a cover around the base.
5) There was a steam circulating valve on the smokebox LHS, not a (Gresley) snifting valve behind the chimney.
6) The LHS boiler handrail incorporated the brass "knuckle" for the blower control and this entailed a short gap in the handrail on the smokebox LHS.
7) The smokebox door was smaller in diameter, flatter and with a wide rim, fastening with a wheel and handle.
Eight) (Edited - why do I get a face instead of the number eight and bracket? Annoying!) Cylinder covers and tail rods were fitted (a minor point being that buffer beams had holes in them to allow the piston to be drawn forward, but this was done after the Grouping).
9) Sandwich buffer beams were fitted to the first 50 engines. The others had steel plate beams . All engines had NER taper shank buffers in NER days.
10) Lifting holes in the front frames were cut only after the Grouping.
11) The mechanical lubricator was originally fitted to the top edge of the RHS frames between the leading and 2nd splashers, but from No. 2243 (1st of 1919/21 batch) it was fitted to the footplate in the same place (by 1952 the lubricators were relocated behind the 2nd splasher on the footplate).
12) NER black, lined red, livery came in two different varieties - the 1st 30 had large brass number plates on the cab sides and were lettered N.E.R. on the tender. Engines built from 1917 had small cast number plates and the engine number painted on the tender sides between the letters N and E. Some, at least, of the 1st 30 were repainted in this livery before Grouping. 63395 (or 2238, if you prefer) is well documented in it's earlier preservation NER livery, though its overall condition was not then NER, of course.
It will be interesting to see how faithfully Hornby captures the detail appropriate to the locos they model.
Me - I'm holding out for a Q6 in N Scale!
Regards,
Roy Marshall
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Hello, everyone. Firstly I would like to thank Rob for those photo's of the class 20's at Dairycoates. It is great to see them, and it brings backs memories for me, as well, of seeing 20's on the Bridlington pick up goods.
Tonight I have a photo' of Seamer taken from the Scarborough Spa Express on 25th July, 1985. The train was returning to York at about 5.00pm. Remarkably, those two sidings are still there.
With regards,
Rob.
Rob,
Intrigued by the picture - is that a tender and, if so, is it a Bulleid?
Regards,
Roy
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Was I at the Darlington exhibition??? I was the Darlington Exhibition(ist)
Nah. To be serious I was there all weekend. Mostly in the cab, hindering things by driving the model of a Q7 in a Q7. The rest of my weekend I spent either annoying Mick or becoming stranded on the top of the Presflo.
This thread may explain things:
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Well, I guess I must have spoken to you without realising - small world. Will look out for the exhibition this year.
Regards,
Roy
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A bit like the big un in this pic.
Or a bit like the little un in this pic.
The only locomotive to have had a model Railway exhibition inside it. (Probably?)
Darlington Model railway club Exhibition @ "Head of Steam" 2015.
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Porcy,
Were you at the Darlington Exhibition, then?
I enjoyed it - small, but perfectly formed (the exhibition, not me) - even got a brief operating stint on Wansbeck Road (the 2mm layout pictured with the Q7, built by Mick Simpson).
Regards,
Roy
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Oh Edlingham - used to camp there. Great memory, I love going along that road and spotting the remains of the formation.
The Morpeth shot shows the Star of David in the canopy supports - I have seen this elsewhere on NER stations and wondered if it was something to do with the original funding of the NER being from Jewish sources. Always wondered about it!
Edlingham is a lovely spot for a picnic too, in the grounds of the castle by the viaduct.
That pattern of casting in the canopy supports is a surprise - I'd always thought that the local version at West Hartlepool (see attached picture) was usual (certainly I've an illustration in a book showing Middlesbrough had the same) and that the ornate ironwork was a florid representation of the initial "NER".
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Reverting back to Springbank North and the signal bracket, I don't have a "Full Frontal" so this back view will have to do. The date is 18 March 1955, and the engine is A7 No 69973. The signal originates from 1885 and the opening of the railway, the H&B would have replaced the original arms c1910, and by 1955 only the two Distant arms of this pattern remain. The Main Line arm to Locomotive Jct was renewed as a NERly LQ in June 1939, the two UQ arms were fitted on Sunday 24 August 1952. The signal, and has altered remained in use until early 1957 when it was replaced by a "Modern" steel bracket.
SPRINGBANK NORTH 69973 18 March 1955.jpgSorry to come to this so late, but perhaps you mean 69773, or 69783?
Great pictures (especially D20 707) and thanks for the D20 number 62360.
Regards,
Roy Marshall
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Many thanks to Les for his listing of tenders at post 71, and confirming that tenders A and D on his list are being modelled by Hornby.
Can anyone confirm what locomotives other than the Q6 these tenders ran with, please?
John
This list may not be exhaustive:
"Type A" - B13, B14, B15; D17, D18, D19; J39/3; Q5, Q6.
"Type B" - C6, C7; D21; Q6.
"Type C" - C7; Q6.
"Type D" - C7; D49; J39/3; Q6.
"Type E" - Raven A2; B16; C7; D49; J39/3; Q6, Q7.
Regards,
Roy Marshall
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Lovely weathering on those 16Ts!
Q6
in Hornby
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Porcy,
Like you, I don't know whether the current tender has a self trimming coal space, but I'll try to find out. I know the tank was rebuilt in NELPG ownership, but not when that was done.
Great pictures, by the way.
Regards,
Roy