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Graham,
I agree - especially the NCB two-tone green one for us in the North East - I've got two ordered.
However, the lack of a NE Region steam tank locomotive is a pity - I'll have to start on a kit or a 3D print.
Regards,
Roy
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On 11/02/2019 at 10:29, tmc said:
Hello Nathan,
The evidence we have of 67250 show it to be a 50C [Selby] loco and the photograph we have of 67263 was taken whilst it was at 54A Durham. Although no final decisions have yet been taken I doubt we will alter these, but a shed plate will be one of the optional extras we will offer along with renumbering, weathering, sound fitting etc , so you can let us know which shed code you'd like when you place your order.
Kind Regards,
AlexAlex,
Just for clarity, Durham was 54A - a sub-shed of Sunderland. This might allow a wider sphere of operation.
Others may not be aware - I needed a second look myself.
Regards,
Roy
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Don't think so. The Q6 was withdrawn with this tender, it being the same one that has been substantially rebuilt during preservation. Notice the D shaped frame cut outs.
63395 Seaton Bank 4.9.67 by George Woods, on FlickrA comparatively easy way to spot a Q6 with an Atlantic tender is look out for the deeper valance but be careful as some had the valance removed. Then there is the oval cutouts.
Take a Look at Aurthur K's phot of 63344 in this post.
Notice the similarity to this?
but not this type Atlantic tender:
N1000_19660716_Sunderland_SouthDockShed_23 by Tom Young, on Flickr... and then there is the atlantics that didn't have Atlantic Atlantic tenders if you get my drift. These tenders eventually finding their way back to loco's of other classes.
Finally 63395 definitely not fitted with an Atlantic tender.
Sorry, you only get 1/10 for your chosen subject of Q6 tender recognition, (for effort) but I have to admit to it not being an easy subject.
So back to J26/7's
Not a J27 yesterday:
R0227 65772 Thornaby 28Jun1960 by Ron Fisher, on Flickr Porcy,
Great pictures - especially the Atlantic.
Atlantics were built with tenders with both D-shaped and oval (the last 10 Zs) frame slots.
As you say the depth of the angle iron below the footplate is no guide, as these were altered in some cases to suit the depth on the Atlantic locomotives.
Our (NELPG's) Q6 was completed in December 1918, so had a tender with oval frame slots - so we can say with confidence that the current tender is not the original and that, though the tank is new, it matches the proportions of the one at withdrawal. No tender of those proportions (I do not say exact dimensions) particularly of height of tank, with continuous coal rails around the tender rear, originated other than on NER Class V, V09 and Z Atlantics, except for the 10 R1 Class tenders, which all seem to have gone to J39s.
So I think it is very likely that the current frames on 63395 are from an Atlantic.
Small consolation for the lack of a Z in preservation.
Look out for a change of livery in 2238/63395's Centenary Year!
Regards,
Roy
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Aw cummon!! Yer winding us up. No manufacturer would consider a generic chassis in this day and age by consider going back to the Tri-ang Jinty chassis days? Would they?
I assume you are talking about a common chassis block that would be cast to accept different wheelbases and wheel diameters? Wouldn't work with the differing wheelbases of the J27/J25 using the standard 2mm, 3mm & 1/8" axle sizes in common use today.
1950's design philosophy in 2019. There would be a buyer's backlash.
Porcy,
Both J25 and J27 had 8' 0" + 8' 6" wheelbase, I believe. The J24 was different.
Regards,
Roy
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Check the pics of the OO gauge ones but I think NCB No.69 will have a normal chimney- all NCB locos on the list are low bunker.
The MSC locos were bought direct from the WD and I don't think they were modified.
Hurricane is a normal chimney but a modified smokebox door.
The Weathered NCB Peckfield is deinitely one with a Kylpoor chimney (upturned flowerpot) as is the yellow peril, NCB No.65.
Of the two BR locos 68061 never had a high bunker, and 68049 was fitted in March 1950. Either of these could have a third set of footsteps that would need cutting off. Both might have a smokebox numberplate moulded onto the smokebox door.
Safest bet is probably MSC Grey number 85, though Errol Lonsdale is a possibility. I can't remember off the top of my head how its nameplates were mounted..
Hope this helps.
Les
Les,
Do you have any pictures of the BR engines, please? I've put in a bid for 68049. I've got pictures of 68023, 68050 and 68051 - all with 3 sets of footsteps and 68023 and 68050 have tall bunkers.
I was hoping for a variant with the Lambton cab - maybe later?
Regards,
Roy
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Well, that is it for this session. The layout is now packed up and standing on end in the workshop - and I've even vacuumed the floor.....
I've got the boxes over the ends done, though the one at the farm end needs another upright to screw tight into- a smaller job that can wait for next time. Note that the road now continues right up to the edge of the board.
The pic shows it bends upwards. Both of the boxes were painted black on the inside before assembling them. The black paint on the outside can wait until December/January. The lane now continues right to the board edge and the foliage along the board edge is complete.
A huge improvement for a small amount of work was putting the white line on the platform edge (it acquired one by 1955 according to pics, perhaps even earlier). It will need a little more work over the humps on the down platform, but those are still proving a little problematical.
One job I didn't get done was touching up the ballast through the station, but I've worked on colouring it at the farm end. Over all if the layout were summoned to a show next weekend - hopefully not - it would be some distance from being the worst in the show. Now all I've got to do in the final spasm before Sileby is bring it to life and add the static grass clumps to the cow field and the embankments..
More pics still on file. I might get them posted. Meanwhile NO PLACE is up on its stands so I can get the couplings changed over to Kadees in time for Woodthorpe show on the 27th.
Les
Les,
Look forward to seeing Croft Spa in the North East, at some point.
Regards,
Roy
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Now that NO PLACE is back on the bench following Woodthorpe show I've got HD set up for checking over and sorting out the locos ready for Warley at the end of the month.
Layout jobs done so far-
1. A new feed added to the fiddle yard to try to sort out a bit of a voltage drop. It may need a couple more yet.
2. I've one round the colliery yard touching in all the bits by the trak where the edges had worn white. A little more to do at the front edge.
Still to sort is the upright for the lights at the Colliery end.
Two additions to stock will definitely be running at Warley, a strong V2 and another Dapol B1. These have really been bought for Croft Spa but I'll give them a run at Warley first. The V2 came from Dr Al via eBay, and after making sure it was able to pull enough (10 coaches forwards) it went off to DCC Supplies for chipping. They are out of tiny cab-roof sized chips so I said it could go in the tender. I've restored the front coupling as it will spend its life on Croft Spa pulling the Catterick Camp troop train tender-first. The B1 will be lamped for the gunpowder train, which runs on both HD and Croft Spa.
Hopefully Mr Simon will have the V1/V3 ready. It can replace the weak V2 on the short parcels, probably running bunker first.
One I took to put on the Dapol Club Facebook page. Eight of my ten Dapol B1s stand ready for service on HD. The other two are analogue, 61005 Bongo which has no circuit board- this may have a chip hardwired in at some time, and a green one bought for spares as a Dapol NQP some years ago and which has nothing wrong with it- the reason it was a non-runner was that it was missing its blanking plug and cardan shaft. Why all Dapol ones? The only Farish B1 I had wasn't strong enough to work the coal train, so it was sold on.
More to follow
Les
Les,
I like the look of that V2!
Oddly enough, I've had nothing but trouble with my Farish B1, so I've lamped it for Engine and Van running tender first, which works fine. All my other Farish locos run quietly and well.
Is there a thread on here for Croft Spa and for No Place?
I've tried a few searches, but they returned nothing obvious among lots of results.
Regards,
Roy
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Here's something a bit different and picked at random, the Signalling and P Way for Keyhingham, Withernsea Branch. It may, for someone, prove an insperation.
Mick,
I'm working through your article in July BRM about signalling with semaphores - very helpful.
Regards,
Roy
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Can you just remind us of No 53's details - (presumably Fletcher from the square cab windows, but all my references are in storage while I'm camped out with the mother in law).
On another tack, is it just me or did NER footbridges look really quite 'modern' compared to those of some other companies? (some of which tend to look like the 'Bridges of Madison County' if that was the film I'm thinking of, or that timber thing in Lucerne) Apart from the lack of wheelchair access, you could imagine something similar being built today. Or was there a big replacement programme in late Victorian times?
Number 53 is a Fletcher Class 901 2-4-0, according to Ken Hoole's illustrated History of NER Locomotives (Appendix 1, page 240). You probably know that Number 910 of this class is preserved. I think it's still out on loan at Kirkby Stephen East, which is where I saw it last.
Regards,
Roy
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I'm sure you meant 69802, a loco I had certainly seen in the Hull area in 1958 when then allocated to Botanic Gardens along with 69811 another A5/1 and 698832/36&37, all A5/2's
That's right - 69802.
Regards,
Roy
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Mid '50's via of an A5 passing over Anlaby Road level crossing Hull. Up ECS, probably for Brough workmans' trip.
Mick,
Interesting picture - I'd thought we only had A5/2s in the NE Region, but this looks like 98002, shedded at 53B Botanic Gardens.
Regards,
Roy
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I'm trying to model the Tees-Tyne Pullman, and it appears to have been notably homogenous in its composition: http://www.semgonline.com/coach/coupe/coupe_se04.pdf
As I said, I'm looking for help in matching a colour. I'm not looking for an excuse not to do so.
Thanks,
Gavin
Have a look at the Colourrail web site - there are lots of pictures of the Tees Tyne Pullman. You can browse the thumbnails of A4s, A3s and A1s - there's a good picture of 60017 with the roofs clear to see. As has already been observed, the flat-sided brake ends are darker.
I'm trying to model the TTP in N and had my white roofs sprayed pretty much the same. Love to find some flat-sided BSKs to make up the consist.
Regards,
Roy
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Mick,
1869 is one of the pair of NER Q1 locomotives built in 1896, as I'm sure you know.
The tender seems to carry the early form of NER crest, so the picture was probably taken early in the career of the locomotive. RCTS Part 3C says they were used on the East Coast Main Line northwards to Edinburgh and south to York, initially.
The architecture of the buildings in the background, coupled with the height above the railway, suggests Edinburgh as the location, I think.
Regards,
Roy
A look at St Margaret's Shed in Edinburgh seems to fit.
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All most certainly not East Riding, but certainly somewhere in the North East, I have no details. Can someomeone please name the location?
Mick,
1869 is one of the pair of NER Q1 locomotives built in 1896, as I'm sure you know.
The tender seems to carry the early form of NER crest, so the picture was probably taken early in the career of the locomotive. RCTS Part 3C says they were used on the East Coast Main Line northwards to Edinburgh and south to York, initially.
The architecture of the buildings in the background, coupled with the height above the railway, suggests Edinburgh as the location, I think.
Regards,
Roy
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Don't you mean the K-type brakes that ran with the Mark 1 Pullmans from 1960? I think they'd make a good choice for Farish, as earlier trains could be represented if they did the other K-types too.
No, I didn't mean those - they'd be perfect, but I'm not optimistic that Farish will produce them (if only!).
No, I'd set my sights a little lower - I've got a six car Metro Cammell rake for the Tees Tyne Pullman, Head Board for the A4 at the front and no BSKs.
I realise the Mark 1 BCKs are from preservation days, but they'd be some sort of compromise to make the rake up to 8.
I vote for the Type Ks every poll!
Regards,
Roy
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Stephen,
How can you possibly claim the G&SWR wasn't significant?
I'll have a Smellie Class 22 over the Stirling, thank you.Gordon
Gordon,
Well I agree on significant - you just have to read David Smith's books!
But Manson over Smellie for me - admittedly not 0-6-0s. I even like the Drummonds!
Regards,
Roy
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The collectors club models seem to be hit and miss. One of the hits must be the Mk1 VSOE BCK. Sold out from the collectors club, and now fetching up to £70 on that auction site.
Is the key to produce a model which complements others that are available?
I'd love to see a ltd edition 47 475 in Provincial with matching MK2s and Mk1 BG, but not sure how much it's appeal would be (but I have suggested this to Hattons).
However compare with the Dapol Scotrail Mk3s commissioned by C&M on the back of an announced 47 and DBSO, they sold out pretty quickly if I remember. But again another example of complementary models.
I think in N gauge it either needs to be a relatively cheap stand alone wagon, e.g. Exhibition van, Satlink etc, or something which allows a complete train to for modelled.
But that's just my opinion!
I'd love to buy a pair of the Pullman Mark 1 BCKs. They're not right for the Metro-Cammell set of Farish Pullmans in steam days, but, in the absence of a decent alternative, I'm prepared to compromise. I wonder whether Farish might reintroduce them?
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I was disappointed to find, on a visit last August, that the preserved wagons at Beamish are in a poor state compared to most of the other exhibits there.
And they allowed the J21 to get into terrible condition before giving it away.
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Item No. Description Era DCC RRPBachmann BRANCHLINE OO SCALE31-663 Class 47/0 No. 47209 ‘Herbert Austin’ in BR Railfreight Distribution livery 8 21PIN £159.9532-304A 2251 Class Collett Goods locomotive No. 2251 in GWR green with GREAT WESTERN on tender 8 8PIN £114.9532-815RJ Class 47/8 No. 47805 ‘John Scott 12.5.45 – 22.5.12’ in DRS Compass livery. REGIONAL EXCLUSIVE MODEL – ISLE OF MAN, NORTH EAST, NORTH YORKSHIRE, NORTH WEST AND SCOTLAND SALES AREA 9 21PIN £159.9532-983 Class 66 No. 66779 ‘Evening Star’ in GBRF lined green livery (special for last Class 66 to be delivered) 9 21PIN £169.9534-385 Thompson 3rd Class Corridor in LNER Teak livery No. 1090 3 - £54.9534-410 Thompson Composite Corridor in LNER Teak No. 18510 3 - £54.9534-435 Thompson Composite Brake in LNER Teak No. 1146 3 - £54.9534-485 Thompson 1st Class Corridor in LNER Teak No. 138 3 - £54.95
I think the Thompsons look great - looking forward to some in N.
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Well that settles it then, a 4CC is the clear winner! Woo hoo, bring it on.
I agree - I want one in any gauge, but in NER livery, please!
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Once again "Just over the State Line" but the Raven Pacifics often worked into East Yorkshire. Class A2 2402, York, 1920's. Photo' Cecil Ord.
Mick,
Another gem - it's impressive the way you keep trotting these out - from a time neither of us can actually remember!
Regards,
Roy
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We are lucky that there are a few NER Locos surviving if above paragraph is correct in the future. Shame there are no B16 and variants surviving .
There are 13 at the last count, with a new build well advanced to make the lucky number!
Albeit, 2 of the same class and 1 electric. We're luckier than (say) the Glasgow and South Western - the Manson 4-6-0s in particular were good looking locomotives
I agree that the S3 (B16) is a big miss, so too the A (F8), Z Atlantic (C7), the R (D20) and the W (A6 - much more attractive than the A8s, in my opinion).
Regards,
Roy
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I think you could continue to miss class 26. The BRCWs allocated new to Thornaby were Class 27. It would be nice to have a class 25/0 from someone....
The nice thing about the NER 0-6-0s was that they didn't change very much during their long lives. Most obvious was replacing the big brass trumpets over the firebox with Ross Pops, an easy backwards change with a lost wax casting. The positions of washout plugs can be either ignored or sorted with Milliput, a small drill and a lot of interesting language. Balance weights were only spasmodically fitted to J27s, two different types and only applied to some of the class. Ditto shaped cab front windows - done on the few J27s built with circular lookouts and some but by no means all J26s changed.
J26/J27 would be a comparatively easy one for an r-t-r manufacturer- the biggest difficulties would possibly be two slides for the two cab fronts, effectively two boilers (early/late) and differing coal rails on some tenders. Chimneys are separate items so windjabber/ground off can both be covered, as can Ross Pops vs valve trumpets. Far fewer variations than have already been applied to other models.
OTOH the only ex- NER 0-6-0 to visit London in service was a J25 used as empty stock pilot at Paddington during WW2......
Just a thought
Les
Les,
I feel it would be easy to live without the superheated versions of J21, J24, J25 and J27 (with longer smokeboxes, snifting valves and loss of the obvious "piano front" between the front frames), but the variations in boiler diagrams for the saturated versions still result in the usual NE differences in dome cover shape (J27 only) and position.
Nevertheless, with careful choice of individual locomotives, these difficulties could largely be avoided, so what you say is true.
I model only in N Gauge, but I'm tempted by the Hornby Q6. Any of the 0-6-0s will be similiarly tempting.
Regards,
Roy
Farish Thompson Coaches
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Oh, I want some of them!
I'd planned to get only blood and custard stock, but who can resist those?