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    RTR North Eastern Railway Locomotives - A discussion.

    in Pre-Grouping - Modelling & Prototype

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    RTR NER steam would be great- as far as I am aware Bachmann's upcoming J72 is the first (accurate) RTR available in pre-1923 condition. I would have thought Bachmann might be more likely to do the J21 (in fact I consider it a likely prospect for next year if J72 sales are strong) but I would like a J27 as well of course. A D20 or an Atlantic would be really nice but whatever they do I hope they do them in pre-1923 as well as LNER and BR liveries. The NER Green livery is simply gorgeous and oddly I find it looks better than LNER even though they are nearly identical.

     

    See the Bachmann pages for the debate on whether a J72 in NER green from the Bachmann tooling would be accurate - I have grave doubts. Lined NER black is a better bet.

    RTR North Eastern Railway Locomotives - A discussion.

    in Pre-Grouping - Modelling & Prototype

    Posted

    Be careful what you wish for. Mind you, I've thought for a long time that the Quaker simplicity of outline of the Worsdell brothers' engines should lend itself to injection moulding - especially thinking of those all-in-one splashers on the 4-4-0s. An M would be a starting point. As the Stirling single has now been done, perhaps an 1895 theme with Hardwicke and a Lambie 4-4-0? Though personally I'd go weak at the knees for a Holmes 4-4-0.

     

    An M would be great - perhaps as part of the National Collection in miniature from Locomotion?

     

    I'd have one of these in any gauge:

     

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    RTR North Eastern Railway Locomotives - A discussion.

    in Pre-Grouping - Modelling & Prototype

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    As someone who lived in Murton, Co Durham as a kid And who played both on the colliery lines and the main east-west line through Murton Town station, I confess I cannot remember the (basically two) types of loco I saw apart from the colliery saddle tank hauling coal and a larger passenger train loco. I think green but probably black.

     

    I have tried Google but still nothing rings a bell, as in ‘yes thats definitely the one’.

     

    Rob

    Rob,

     

    The BR line through Murton was essentially NE to SW, though the colliery line down to the coast was East-West.

     

    I don't know which years you might remember, but the chances are that the two types were J27 and Q6 - there are lots of pictures of these in the final years of steam in the NE, running empties up Seaton Bank from Ryhope and coal loads back again. There might have been the odd WD 2-8-0 as well, but I haven't seen pictures of them on that line.

     

    The line was used as a diversionary route when the coast line between Sunderland and Hartlepool was unavailable, so local passenger, express passenger (A1s, A2s, A3s, etc - which explains your green loco) and parcels would also have passed on that line between Ryhope and Hart Station.

     

    Regards,

     

    Roy

    Bachmann J72

    in Bachmann

    Posted

    Hello.

     

    Yes - 1720 was special and did indeed have NER lined green livery and became LNER 8680 and  BR 68680, carrying LNER and BR green then BR lined and finally plain black liveries, and was much modelled. It would be a better candidate for the NER livery model. 

     

    I agree, but I don't think Bachmann have tooled up for the dimensional differences for the 1898/9 batch - great if they have. There's always 68723 and 68736, the well known station pilots, and, of course, 69023 as preserved.

    Bachmann announcements 2018 - full list

    in Bachmann

    Posted

    Compare them to their contemporaries and then say they were good.

     

    Better than a Saint, Star, Midland Compound, Claughton, Prince Of Wales, GNR C1, T9s, SECR D, etc.?

     

    Thought not.

     

    But this is only an opinion and is formed by reading books on them by people such as George Dow and Jack Simmons.

     

     

    But people advocating rebuilding the Australian survivors into one, which is where this conversation started is a bit bonkers.

     

     

     

    Jason

     

    RCTS Part 3A says the C4s (known as Jersey Lilies) were "employed on main line work on the GC" for over 30 years "only finally displaced in 1936 by class B17 4-6-0s".

    Bachmann J72

    in Bachmann

    Posted

    My 1955 ABC shows 68696 at West Auckland (51F), but Stockton (51E) by the 1959 edition.

     

    I'm as doubtful as you are about 2173 (one of the 1914 batch) - the NER started painting goods engines black in 1904. It might be argued that the style of lining in the photo grey shot suggests green livery was applied, but there are several pictures of T2s and T3s (LNER Q6s and Q7s) with the same lining - these certainly never wore green.

    Farish 2018 wishlist frothing.

    in Graham Farish

    Posted

    Pre MK1 Pullmans seem the most conspicuous missing item in UK N gauge. The grouping era Pullman has got to be one of the single most recognisable items of British rolling stock.

     

    On the surface the Bachmann MK1 Pullman seems an odd choice, but obviously it's because Hornby have bagged the earlier type in OO. On past performance, this would mark them out as a Dapol model. But then they've lost interest in N gauge.

     

    The logical solution would be for Hornby/Arnold to use their Brighton Belle as the basis of a model, but I get the sense they had their fingers burned by the difficulty in shifting the BR Blue versions (lots of reduced stock around for ages, even though the umber and cream ones went relatively quickly)

     

    J

     

    Farish should produce the flat sided 1928 build Pullman Brake ends to complement the Metro-Cammells - without them there isn't a full (8 with steam, more with diesels) set for the late steam/transition era. Then it's only a little step to produce the other flat sided Pullmans, a bit like the NGS Thompson BG leading to further Thompsons (of course helped by the shrink ray from the OO models). And with grey roofs, please.

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    Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

    in UK Prototype Discussions (not questions!)

    Posted

    I think these are the only two photos I have of the type, both in the later dark blue.  I didn't start taking photos in the north east until 1980.

     

    I think they have both in this thread, but a long time ago so am copying them here.

     

    The "ano" are not Hunslets.

     

     

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    Ashington Hunslet 0-6-0DS 2120201 and ano 25th May 87 C8525

     

     

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    Ashington NCB Hunslet 2101208 and ano 28th Nov 97 C9288

    David,

     

    Many thanks - great pictures.

     

    Regards,

     

    Roy

    Photo's Of East Yorkshire Railways

    in UK Prototype Discussions (not questions!)

    Posted · Edited by R Marshall

    Possibly, when later fitted with ex Q10 boilers, I would have to check.

     

    Mick,

     

    I've looked at the 12 illustrations in RCTS Part 6C (3 of these with Q10 boilers) and none of the 12 appear to have the "piano front" cover over the top of the frames. There is no mention of any such variation in the text, as far as I can see.

     

    Another great picture - thanks.

     

    Regards,

     

    Roy

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    Bachmann at Warley 2017

    in Bachmann

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    I was told that there are at least two separate lamp tooling dependant on which version they are sold with, I can't remember which pattern lamps they are though I'm afraid.

     

    Cheers

     

    J

     

    Here are two cropped shots of J72s, showing 1749 (1899 batch) and 2173 (1914 batch).

     

    1749 shows a lamp with the handle possibly aligned side to side (though much finer than the handle on the EP sample), It's faint, so difficult to be sure. Certainly other early NER classes did carry lamps with side to side handles, so I stand corrected.

     

    However, the Class E alongside (J71) has a fore and aft handle which can be seen very faintly. In addition, the shot of 2173 in works grey shows only lamps with fore and aft handles. Looking at lamps on other NER classes leads me to conclude that fore and aft handles were normal from the early years of the 20th Century. I have a picture of 66 Aerolite in works grey in its 1902 rebuilt form showing lamps of this pattern.

     

    Hopefully Andy Y can get this message across - lamps with side to side handles should be used with caution. If the other pattern of lamp modelled by Bachmann is not correct, happily Modelu can supply 3D prints of the correct type.

     

    Regards,

     

    Roy

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    Bachmann at Warley 2017

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    There were four EPs of the J72 in the display cabinets, all showing a selection of detail differences for the potential variants ranging from NER through to LNER and BR built locos. There are various smokebox door darts/wheel combinations, buffer types, non and vac fitted early and late sand box configuration along with working 3 link couplings ready fitted.

    Pre fitted speaker in the bunker, flickering LED firebox, positionable headlamps (four included with the loco though I think non-working) and full cab detail were all pointed out so it's definitely a step up from the groundbreaking Mainline tooling!

    Given the details and features, it's going to be North of £100 but in the current market I think that's pretty reasonable, and I'll definitely be in for a couple of them, depending on livery and number combination (which are yet to be announced)

    Only managed to get on photo worth sharing of those not on the spinning plinths as I only had my phone with me, but hopefully it'll be of use and interest!

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    They've certainly got the face of the loco right in my opinion, now for some other items from the same Railway family please!

    Cheers

    J

    The lamp pattern is still wrong - can someone get a message through, please!

    50 years since the end of steam in NE England

    in UK Prototype Discussions (not questions!)

    Posted

    Excellent pictures, Roy. Thanks for sharing them. Good views of the coaling stage as well. The Jubilee had worked a Bradford to Middlesbrough RCTS Special that day (then D6778 to Whitby), so it must have run light engine to West Hartlepool for servicing. By the time I saw it in June it had lost the red backing to the numberplate and the AWS 'bash plate' below the buffer beam had also reverted to black. (At least that what it looks like on my b&w pics. - are there more colour shots out there to confirm?)

     

    Trevor

     

    Trevor,

     

    All credit to Chris - he was a great photographer and very knowledgeable about railway matters. The last time I saw him was at the "Great Goodbye" at Shildon in 2014. A lot of his pictures are on photo-forums.net, under the Time Capsules segment - worth a look and free to download.

     

    Regards,

     

    Roy

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