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threatenedpromisedFirst two of the new (replacement) telegraph poles take the feed across the bridge and turn it along the railway.
Next-but-one pole (the one that has been snapped off three times and ended up looking far too short). Note repaired Britannia in background.
Close-up of nameplate. I suppose I ought to leave it like that since when 70004 was mended at Darlington it had already lost its plates. However I've already got replacement plates on order from those nice Fox people in Leicestershire.
Mallard now has a straight ferret & dartboard on its tender. This loco isn't going out to Peterbrough as it has a buffer head missing. For the same reason 60527 might not go if I can't find a spare Farish buffer in the spares boxes. I have some brass buffers to replace those on 60022 and the repeat 60019 when the latter comes bacj from DCC Supplies. However I'll not get time to fit these before Peterbro'.
Similarly, the J39 bought from Farish's reconditioned/returns melee at TINGs has also had its crest updated. No doubt when I look at 64960's works history I'll find it didn't last long enough to get one, or that it was a reversed ferret on the offside. Either way I'll most likely renumber it to one that would have been seen in Darlington.
The fiddle yard with the train selection for the next two shows. Locos not necessarily the right ones - I make that part up as I load the layout. Note that roads 3 and 8 now only have one train each. This is to make it easier to just have something circulating if we get a problem that is a two-operator fix. Road 8 now has a ten coach passenger train, while the coal empties has been lengthened from 18 to 23-24, which the tender-first B1 srill walks away with. There will be an engine on the train in road 10. It is just that I borrowed Mallard to put its crest right.
Tomorrow varnishing new crests and running trains until I'm happy all the wagons/coaches are the best way round. Monday will be boxing them up again.
Les
Les,
64960 survived until February 1960, so would have almost certainly received late crests. It was part 2, so had a 4200 gallon tender, like the Farish model and the flat sided version is correct for that engine. In 1958/9 it seems to have been shedded at Lincoln. Unfortunately, most of the engines allocated to North Eastern sheds seem to have had the smaller part 1 3500 gallon tenders or the ex-NER part 3 tenders. As ever, a picture of the intended engine will be useful.
Regards,
Roy
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The last J27s in the North East were shedded at Sunderland (65811/55/79/82/94). 65894 (now preserved) was certainly cleaned up for some of its final turns, but I don't know whether any of Sunderland's allocation would have taken coal down to Teesside. West Hartlepool shed only had a couple of Q6s and a set of WDs.
Sorry to be unable to help more.
Further to this, Iain, I've turned up a picture of 65811 at West Hartlepool in July 67 (Colour Rail, so copyright, alas). This suggests that your memory is ok and that J27s did travel South. 65811 is pretty filthy, but others of Sunderland's allocation weren't. Maybe it was 65894?
Regards,
Roy
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@ Mal/Alcanman
Right at the death with 'Flying Pigs!' Super signal gantry at Newsham, as well. I think it was rare for these locos to come south of the Tyne (although my earlier shot included 43137 at Tyne Dock). I only ever photographed one in the Gateshead area, at Low Fell on 28/1/67 - note the other steam activity in Low Fell Yard visible through the murk in the right background. The loco is 43000, no less!
By coincidence I was at the SLS Newcastle Area meeting on Friday when the talk was about the Blyth & Tyne lines around Newsham and points north. Plenty of shots of these locos in your stamping ground in the talk.
Also here are a couple of shots at Pelaw, east of Gateshead. 65882 was heading east with coal empties on 30/5/67.
Plus a modern view of the Tyne & Wear Metro station on the same site. Half a century of change!
Please keep the photos coming in, chaps!
Trevor
43000 is especially useful for the roof detail in the foreground - I've got to model one like that!
Regards,
Roy
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The last day of steam I remember that, or at least I have a final memory of my last steam engine.
I was eight years old and playing with my mates in what we called "The Beck", more of an open sewer, that flows down the side of the TA barracks across the road from the mighty Tees Yard. Some time during the morning what I now believe to be a J27 or possibly a J26 passed with a coal train towards the Boro. I remember how clean it was, and we all waved to the train crew and they waved back, just brilliant for us kids.
The day wore on and later the same engine running light sped back past us towards Thornaby, it was going like the clappers, and we all waved frantically back to the train crew who again gave us a cheery wave.
Then that was it, we never ever saw another steam train.
That was our last and remains my final memory of North Eastern steam.
Does anyone know which engine this might be? It was certainly cleaned up for the day and I'm fairly sure was probably running on the last day of NE region steam. We certainly never ever saw any Tees Yard steam activity afterwards.
Happy Days!
The last J27s in the North East were shedded at Sunderland (65811/55/79/82/94). 65894 (now preserved) was certainly cleaned up for some of its final turns, but I don't know whether any of Sunderland's allocation would have taken coal down to Teesside. West Hartlepool shed only had a couple of Q6s and a set of WDs.
Sorry to be unable to help more.
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September 2017 marks the fiftieth anniversary of the end of steam in North East England, with sheds at Blyth, Tyne Dock, Sunderland and West Hartlepool all closing to steam in September 1967. To mark this half-century (gulp!) how about sharing some pics and memories of that final year?
I apologise in advance if I have inadvertently missed any similar threads.
To start, a couple of photos in the Gateshead area: 1) 63346 crossing the River Derwent at Derwenthaugh (that's the Tyne on the left) with coal for Stella South power station (near Blaydon) on 20/5/67. It had been held at signals for a while, hence the steam from the cylinder drain cocks. and 2) 65879 passing the site of today's Metrocentre station, Dunston, with empties from Stella South on 8/7/67. The cooling towers in the left background were actually Stella North, on the other side of the Tyne near Newburn.
Any takers?
Trevor
Great Pictures!
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All engines eventualy got eight wheel tenders, at withdrawal, the tenders were transfered and reused on new A3 engines.
Mick,
Another cracking picture!
RCTS part 2A says that the five tenders were ordered from Doncaster in December 1933 and attached to the locomotives between August 1934 and January 1935.
Regards,
Roy
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Les,
Not bored by your articles at all.
Have you had any trouble with Farish B1 bogies derailing?
Regards,
Roy
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I think a lot of the detail differences shown in the CAD we've seen thus far is more of an amalgamation of differences to show what bits and bobs will be tooled, as they'll all be separately fired to the basic shell.
Hopefully this is the case, because a nice new J72 is certainly something to look forward to! I do wonder if the locos originally announced when it was just a chassis upgrade are the same that are forthcoming with the new tool.
Methinks I might enquire of the Barwell Brigade!
I'll repost any findings!
Cheers
J
J,
Let them know I'm happy to help - I've lots of pictures of the class in BR days and earlier - would love them to get the detail right 1st time.
Regards, Roy
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Sad to say, the CAD images appear to show the lamp handles running from side to side (incorrect), rather than fore and aft.
The detail variations (eg with/without rear handrail; buffer types; vacuum ejector; sandbox arrangements; etc) are such that Bachmann ought to base each model on photographic evidence.
Hopefully someone can feed this back to Bachmann?
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Today's photos show the remains of railways once owned by the GER or making connections with the GER.
Maldon East and Heybridge station buildings May 80 C5063.jpgMaldon East and Heybridge station buildings May 80 C5063
Maldon East and Heybridge station site April 75 C1966.jpgMaldon East and Heybridge station site April 75 C1966
Snape inner yard of maltings Oct 73 J3432.jpgSnape inner yard of maltings Oct 73 J3432
Snape front of maltings Oct 73 J3433.jpgSnape front of maltings Oct 73 J3433
Snape maltings March 76 C5620.jpgSnape maltings March 76 C5620
Tollesbury view from station site towards the pier April 78 J6012.jpgTollesbury view from station site towards the pier April 78 J6012
David
David,
Is that the same Maldon of the Battle in 991 and Ealdorman Byrhtnoth?
Regards,
Roy
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Pics tomorrow if I remember to take the camera into the shed.
Meanwhile I've got the following done-
- removed the front mast and replaced it with a new one, touching up the paint and grot where the cable is attached to the new one.
- replaced the ground cover at the base of the new mast
- replaced about a foot of the wire on different bits of the post-and-wire fence and painted the new wire the same colour as the existing wire.
- Added a couple more bits to the colliery yard, freeing up a couple of small spaces in the "it'll come in handy" boxes.
- Improved the wiring by the curved points on the fiddle yard exit to solve a couple of stalling/intermittent shorting problems. This is as a result of improvements on Croft Spa.
- Tested most of the locos that performed well on Croft Spa, replacing some of them because they don't run that well on Hawthorn Dene. Oddly enough one of the replacements runs better on Hawthorn Dene than on Croft Spa- and I thought the trackwork on the new layout was better laid..
Two new purchases, both A4s.
60021 from Dr Al runs beautifully but doesn't like three of the fiddle yard roads and doesn't like turning left on radius 2. Fortunately this is to be a Croft spa loco with a train headboard for the Tees Tyne Pullman
Another 60019 bought on eBay spares or repair after the seller reduced the price to £14 less than the offer he had rejected from me a fortnight ago - I'm not complaining. This one will need a replacement Cortazzi truck, loco to tender wires and drive shaft. All of these I have in stock. If it needs more at the price I paid it can go to DCC Supplies for sorting.
On their way back from DCC Supplies are 60004 with repaired valve gear, 92052 chipped and 92050 with new loco to tender connection and a full service. This last one is one of Dapol's earliest 9Fs and has done exhibition service on Moorcock Junction, Rise Park and Hawthorn Dene. It is the one with slightly wonky cab Fred Hempsall borrowed from me and reviewed in the NGS Journal when they first came out- well due for a service.
Two more days to setting up.........
Les
Les,
I'd be interested to see your stock for the Tees Tyne Pullman, when you get a mo.
I've got a rake of 6 - the flat sided BSKs are both missing - love to see Farish produce these, but it seems unlikely.
Regards,
Roy
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Andy,
Can you feed back to Bachmann?
If so, happy that you pass on this picture, which shows the rear sandboxes on the late batch J72s - below the footplate, behind the rear footsteps - the CAD image for the late BR version doesn't show this. All the batch 69001 to 69028 had these. On the other batches they were in the cab, I believe. I don't think the earliest batch had the bunker rear handrail. I offered help to Bachmann earlier through the website, but that offer has not been taken up, as yet. Maybe you'll have more success.
As for all the moaning about the teak Thompsons, I can't believe that Bachmann could have done a better job - if I modelled in OO, I'd want a full rake! I think I can justify some N examples , eventually, to mix with some blood and custard.
Regards,
Roy
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Agreed - looking at the Birdcage stock with more than envy. The stock is totally wrong for me, and I wont be getting any as its the wrong area - but if Bachmann made a nice ex-NER stock rake, then I think the results would be fantastic. Something like these... in fact that J21 would go well with them.
Lovely pics - the 2nd is Wearhead, I think, but where's the 1st?
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Andy,
What does the good news on the J72 (ie progress) mean in respect of the Farish N Gauge version, please?
Regards,
Roy
PS any word on the Thompsons in N also, please?
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This is to the south of the station, the complex of buildings around the former locomotive works, the site of the original York Railway Museum-The city walls can be seen in the background.
That's great - as you say the City walls are there - many thanks.
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York Clifton, another one from the wrongside of the State Line.
Mick,
Class Q piloting Class J - love the NER singles. The Class I was a very handsome beast, often seen at Scarborough.
Regards,
Roy
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Class X3 2-2-4T at York, again "Just over the State Line", but I think worth a view.
Mick,
Trying to square the York location with the sheds at York, given the GNR loco (and LMS?) and GNR (I think) wagons in the background. The GNR had a straight shed at York South and the LMS had a roundhouse, both in the triangle with the NER roundhouse. So is this at York North?
Regards,
Roy
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This was one of four 2-2-4Ts "chiefly used for hauling inspection saloons" says RCTS Part 9B.
These were, Class X1 No. 66 Aerolite (preserved at the NRM), Class X2 No. 957, and Class X3 Nos. 190 and 1679. I think the X3s were the best looking and I wish one had been saved.
Thanks Mick.
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I'm researching York Locomotive signalbox for a 7mm scale model. I'm stumped for a drawing of the front elevation or a few leading dimensions, also pictures of the back wall. Anyone have anything please in personal collections? Many Thanks, Mick.
Mick,
I've got some drawings, copyright NERA, as follows:
1) A drawing reproduced from the NERA magazine "The North Eastern Express" is labelled as a NER Standard Signal Box 1906. There are 4 pages, showing front and both end elevations, plus detail of the steps and porch. The York box is specifically mentioned as the longest to this pattern. The original drawings were reduced from 1/4" to 1 foot scale to fit and have lost a bit of clarity in the process - it might be worth contacting NERA to see if the original is still available. Let me know if you need contacts.
2) The North Eastern Record, Volume 1 has a drawing of the S4 type cabin which looks very similar with straight lintels top and bottom of the windows in the lower storey. This is much more legible than the other.
Whilst neither of these is specifically of the York box, the implication is that you could extrapolate the dimensions from them. Oddly, though, both drawings show 12 panes in 3 vertical rows in the lower windows, whereas in your picture the panes seem to be in 2 vertical rows (edited to say that this may not be correct there may be more than 2 rows).
Regards,
Roy
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Any chance of a picture, please?
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I've started sorting out ready for Bristol a week on Thursday. I'm assuming the trains went back in the box in the right order at Leamington. The layout had no faults to fix at the end of the show so anything not working will be a result of transit shaking. There may be a spider or two to dislodge.
Croft Spa isn't going to be ready as a test track before I go to Bristol, so one or two of the dodgier locos just won't go, and those left behind last time won't be fixed in time. All these should be ready for GCR North at the end of July.
I might get one or more of the new additions sorted out before packing up, two A1s (to become AULD REEKIE and SILURIAN but not necessarily in that order) and another A4 - yes, another one! which will be GOLDEN PLOVER because I like the name or WILLIAM WHITELAW otherwise. I need to check up what GP's tender type was. WW definitely had the type attached to this loco.
A new stock box bought today at York will mean locos are a little easier to transport and I can take two more than last time.
Les
Les,
You've probably found out by now, but RCTS Part 2A shows 60031 had a corridor tender and 60004 had from May 1948.
regards,
Roy
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Sculcoates goods yard, March 1965. Photo, Rev David Benson.
Too sad!
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Ashington and Woodhorn in Northumberland today.
The photos are mainly NCB.
For some reason a number of the slides from which these were scanned had not survived well.
Ashington Hirst Lane LC, view towards Lynemouth 12th Aug 85 C7120.jpgAshington Hirst Lane LC, view towards Lynemouth 12th Aug 85 C7120
Ashington left line to Butterwell and Ashington colliery, right line to Lynemouth from south junction 12th Aug 85 C7122
Ashington NCB ex BR Class 14 and brake van 18th Feb 86 C7309.jpgAshington NCB ex BR Class 14 and brake van 18th Feb 86 C7309
b Woodhorn self propelled crane at colliery crossing 21st June 86 C7593.jpgWoodhorn self propelled crane at colliery crossing 21st June 86 C7593
Ashington Hunslet 0-6-0DS 2120201 and 2120208 25th May 87 C8525.jpgAshington Hunslet 0-6-0DS 2120201 and 2120208 25th May 87 C8525
b Woodhorn crane 29th Dec 99 C24720.jpgWoodhorn crane 29th Dec 99 C24720
David
Great pictures - those Hunslets look just like the proposed NGS ready to run models!
Regards,
Roy Marshall
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Hello all,
Again thanks for the advice. Here's some pictures of the Q6 on the test track taken tonight, clearly showing 63395's enlarged and refitted tender.
Hope that's of interest. I will detail the conversion in my workbench thread later...
This may not be of interest, but, during the current winter maintenance being carried out by NELPG, the Q6 has had 3 footsteps fitted to the rear of the tender. Similarly, the new tender tank for the J27 has had 2 footsteps fitted.
Regards,
Roy Marshall
50 years since the end of steam in NE England
in UK Prototype Discussions (not questions!)
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Trevor,
Here's a couple of colour shots of that engine at West Hartlepool MPD on 06.05.67. These were given to me by Chris Davies (sadly no longer with us), so no copyright worries.
Regards,
Roy