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Thanks for that John. I'll see if I can knock some up from scrap fret. I'm also missing brake rodding, I had to cut part of it away to clear the loco pickups. i need a spare Dapol kit to provide missing parts, so might as well start afresh with a new body! I'd cut parts away for the KMLtender drive idea.

Hi John, I got the etch picture, hopefully here's the pic returned with the missing bits marked. I'm also missing the pony truck etch! Kemilway etch parts requried.pdf

I can't remember about that, it's been in a box minus instructions for over 35 years! I'm getting round to the "round tuits" boxes... I'll have to have another look when it re-surfaces. I know it's missing some parts including one of the side rods and cab! I've tried the fibre brushes and my fingers tend to find the bits thereof... got some 1200 grade emery as well. I'm beginning to regret using those wheels! I didn't realise the railway room was that damp it would make stuff in boxes go rusty.

I have one of these chassis built many year ago but unfinished as I lost the short rods that go between the crossheads and the drop arm! If you could send me a picture of them I could knock a couple up from scrap etch. I fitted mine with the Kean Portescap motor and gearbox which were a bit expensive back in the day. There's also body bits missing so I'll have to get another body kit to finish it off!

Any tips on how to clean rust off Gibson wheels? I've got a couple of old projects underway, but the wheels have gone rusty. I'm finding them a PITA as one of the projects (Wrenn R1 with etched chassis) I got it all together and quartered then found I should have put the gearbox in...now it has wobbly wheels. Romford may be the answer. At least they won't go rusty. Somewhere in the historic projects I've got a K's Beyer-Peacock. that too doesn't have a footplate so to get the body on and off the chassis involves sliding the crossheads out.

It may have been that the AM10s and AL6 were in gloss rail blue, it certainly looked different to the later Rail blue of the trains I ised to drive in the 1970s and 80. Maybe it was because they used an eggshell finish or the paint didn't weather well.

Corn on this group as well!! :)

ISTR Tri-ang produced a Brush Type 2 in that ochre livery. The AM10s and class AL6 locos carried a different shade of blue that wasn't rail blue, it was a much nicer blue. Both different to the "original" electric loco blue! The REP, TC and VEP units on the suvvern carried rail blue from new.

The 312s used "standard" BR corridor connections and no buffers except on the outer ends which had rubbing plates and retractable buffers. Did the TP inter-city diesels have standard BR corridor connections throughout and retractable buffers? Did the Swindon IC units have standard BR corridor connections or pre-nationalisation smaller corridor connections which needed side buffers?

Interesting as I've recently looked at a late friend's collection of rolling stock which ISTR contains some similar looking coaches. There'a also some early 1950s Mårklin tinplate coaches in HO scale. I'm going to collect the stuff late next week so will have a look at what's there.

That's good to know, I've got 2 that need new gears and another with the big central can motor that has broken mazak frames,

Yes, you're right there. I had a bit of a delve through various photo archives and the T stock had a miniature buckeye. I leanrt the T stock ESL118A/B as a guard in 1973 but can't remember what coupling tht had. I'm not sure if it was a Ward coupling or screw coupling. It didn't have side buffers but was used a couple of times to push stalled DMUs up Chorleywood bank in autumn. R stock had a Ward coupler on the west end driving car as they were never required to couple onto anything at the west end. But we digress.

Photos by Michael Miller on the FB group with thanks.

"We apologise for the delay to the Q23 kit due to further information becoming available". Click.

This reply to my question on the FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/140868576356606/permalink/1675822312861217/?comment_id=1675829772860471&notif_id=1680338821584569&notif_t=group_comment&ref=notif

Have you had a look on the FB group District Railway Past and Present for Q23 pics? There's a few on there that will give you some clues on underframe gear. I've just had a look on there and typed Q23 in the search bar, it's come up with quite a few useful pics.

A "swinger" was also a vehicle with automatic brake that had the automatic brake inoperative. Not to be found on the rear-end of a train unless it has a hand brake! Surely the Metropolitan Railway used the Undergound "standard" Ward coupler? Not miniature buckeyes.

It's something dyslexics use for writing. :)

You'll note the Skiley blueprint shows windows in the guard's end of the G class car. Not all the cars had them, I certainly don't remember them having end windows. It may be they were filled in when they were converted to electric door operation. Maybe Skinley based his drawing on the South Acton single car? For the underframe I'd suggest a visit to the LTM and take photos from there. The central buffer plates differ between the east end and west end. East end has the large box buffer, the west end has the thin flat buffer plate, just a Ward coupler and air pipes, no jumper cables except the receptacle for train shed trolley jumper cable. Are you aware that until about 1956 G stock was mostly east-facing? I read about it last week that the last of the hand-worked door stock was withdrawn around then, so some of the Q23s had to be turned and modified to cover the older stock. There would only be an air reservoir, 2 triple valves and a couple of electrical boxes under the Q38 trailer car If you need a better drawing of the Q38 curves, I could copy sections of my large scale plan. I've just received some Black Beetle motor bogies which have gone under my partner's EFE 1962 stock. they were a bit pricey with import duty and UK VAT added. But job done, it runs quite nicely.

Skinly blueprint now emailed, it does'nt show much underframe detail tough. I've had a quick look on the LTM site, there's a photo ref.U3357 that might be helpful. There's a filter on their search engine, I've set that to photos and drawings, but there's a lot to look through. It's not the easiest site to navigate, but with over 42,000 drawings and 44,000 photos on there...ity I never got a full-size drawing of the Q23. As I said, I've got the full LT drawing of the Q38/O/P/R flare-sided car if ever you're thinking of doing one. there's a lot of pics of K stock on the LTM site as well. Sorry I can't be of more help. Yes it was possible to get a belt from the marker lights as they were 6 110v bulbs wired in series. If the driver turned the cab light on something else went off to compensate for it! Control circuits and doors were 110v fed from batteries at each end of the train. they charged via light bulbs in series as well!

I'll email that to you later. I've contacted Brian Hardy, he can't help with underframe photos, he said try the LTM at Acton.

Sounds about right. there was an article in the Model Railway constructor about the conversions. in those days Kitmaster coach kits were plentiful, being virtually given away with Corn Flakes. Meanwhile I must crack on with motorising my partner's EFE 1960 tube stock with Black Beetle motors, then my MTK Cravens parcel car, also with Black Beetle motor. they are still available from australia, but don't buy too may at once otherwise you'll get done for import tax and UK VAT.

There's also the District Dave website, historic section where you my find more information. Having looked on wiki, there's a view of the LTM Q23 which clearly shows the red light on the back, my memory must have faded. Do a google search, you may find. I've dropped Brian Hardy a note and asked for his help. hopefully he'll come on here in a few days.

Would my Skinley blueprint be of any assistance? Also, try looking on the FB Distict Line group, and mybe contact Brian Hardy on there, author of several books on LT rolling stock. LT Museum will have photos of all types of rolling stock. I used the LT archive back in the 1970s when I was producing GS Models bus kits. Not only will they have 1/12 scale drawings, but official photos too. Re marker lights, I don't recall the Q23 having a red light or lens on the cab end. I worked on them as a guard 1970-to their withdrawal, but can't remember! I know we had to nesure the oil tail light was lit at all times as everything on them worked on line volts. No line volts, no tail light.