MikeTrice

Hopefully, most of the images have been restored.

As an experiment I have resized the images to max 1400 and tried attaching them all to this post which seems to have worked although on re-editing they have doubled in size. I will leave my original post well alone to let your guys look into it.

Original image uploaded still reporting inflated files sizes but new upload reporting same as PC. Have deleted all the images and reuploaded them so the correct sizes are showing. It let my upload 10 images then I got the error. Tried saving and re-editing but still not letting me add the final 2 NOTE: On re-editing the images are again reporting a larger size:

Sorry did not work. Out of interest I note that the file sizes quoted on the uploaded images seems to be 3 times what my PC reports them as: According to my PC img_6464.jpg is only 372Kb but is showing above as 1012 Kb.

I have just tried replacing images lost after the upgrade to my Dynamometer rebuild topic. I am replacing the images lost with exactly the same and got as far as loading 9 of the 12 images in the post then got the error:

I have made a start trying to reload the images, starting with the interior however RMWeb is stopping me loading all of them at present.

If you want to scratchbuild your own (and I don't blame you) the attached should prove useful. Restaurant Car Vent.pdf

Look closely at the Campling drawing. He shows the correct shape of the main ventilators which Comet and the above model get wrong.

As Andy has mentioned my involvement I will state that from the production artwork I have seen it will not disappoint.

I note that Yeadon mentions the Claytons have an early livery featuring black and gold panel lines. I wonder if this continued after relivery in green/cream.

There are probably a series covering the different vehicles.

There is an official drawing in the NRM drawings archive: 9552N Arrangement Of Writing For Open 3rd Brakes To Drwg 9360N (Excursion Stock) 1933 Excerpt below:

As readers will be aware there is a colour picture of the Sentinel railcar "Eagle" in "The Big Four In Colour 1935-50". This image is from the Steam and Sail (now part of Colour Rail) ref NE 68. This should answer all our questions right? Maybe not. Here is a part of one of the transparencies enlarged using a digital microscope in an attempt to identify lining colours: Although the lines appear to be greenish I would consider the results to be inconclusive which is a shame. Searching through google images for sentinel railcars it appears that the Leeds Model Co produced a LNER Sentinel during the 1930s. Surely they would have referred to the real thing when producing the model? Image of one can be found on the Model Railway Club's site: https://www.themodelrailwayclub.org/shop/models/o-gauge-7mm-scale/7mm-scale-locos/leeds-o-gauge-lner-sentinel-cammell-steam-railcar-b255-rtp/ The Leeds model seems to feature red lining and they have reproduced the two different thickness of lining (albeit the wrong way round) and correctly feature the horizontal line along the waist. However if the prototype featured red lining I would have expected some red to be evident in the slide enlargement. Perhaps the red was manufacturer's license.

They have a single horizontal black line at the junction of the green and cream panels.

Another photo where you can just make out the two lines: https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmightycat/40233385813/sizes/h/ and another: https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmightycat/41569041972/sizes/4k/ and another even clearer: https://www.flickr.com/photos/wandering_grayson/27692306705/sizes/k/ The last image you can make out what appear to be horizontal lining on the waist panel just like the preserved NER railcar.

Just found this image: https://rogerfarnworth.files.wordpress.com/2022/05/a-27.jpg Regarding the reference to double green lines this is mentioned in "Big Four In Colour". Interestingly the Sentinel Shunters had a similar arrange but in red on black. I note the restored NER railcar has similar double lining albeit in different colours: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NER_electric_units#/media/File:North_Eastern_Railway_Parcels_Van.jpg

Yes, but you can be selective.

There are definately two parallel lines visible. The outer one is considerably wider than the inner one. Both have inverted curved corners.

Since that photo extract was put up some much better ones have come to light on the Transport Library which for copyright reasons I am not putting up here, however at only 99p per digital image they will not exactly break the bank. The clearest image is Lady Hamilton: https://thetransportlibrary.co.uk/index.php?route=product/search&search=Sentinel+Steam+Railcar

First off it might benefit to break these livery discussions into a separate topic as they might be lost within this one. I found I had more images of Railcars than I thought. Going through them I can really only make out a single panel line not two as quoted. However enlarging the Nick Campling images, even though they are screened for publication a second fainter inner line can be made out. So this raises the question whether the line was thinner or a different colour. Just noticed Yeadon Vol 12 page 63 shows the double lining quite well.

The lining shows up quite well in photos in Nick Camplings "Historic Carriage Drawings: Volume One LNER and Constituents" but he does not mention colour.

Excerpt from a photo of Trafalgar. I have adjusted the image to try and highlight the lining. Looks as if there are also the typical LNER vertical lines complete with arrow heads on the upper beading:

Brilliant. Well done.

I had better add context to this. I went through as many photos as I could find of locomotives in GNR livery. Many photos had the doors open so were of little use. Likewise those in photographic grey were discounted. Many of the photographs it was hard to distinguish the shades used. Of the few that remained a rule of thumb appears to have emerged that tender locomotives had light green doors, tank locomotives dark green. The preserved N2 certainly has dark doors but the preserved J13 has light doors. Perhaps the preserved J13 is incorrect?

The site also has a measure tool for on screen metric measuring. For the image displayed track centres are 4.15-4.2m