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Kernow’s weekly email has stated that they have their batch of ‘Charles’ engines now. I’d imagine that the postal strikes are going to hold up dispatch quite badly, but I’m hopeful of having it before Xmas 

EDIT: speak of the devil, an hour after I post this, an email arrives telling me that it has been dispatched 

I think the fact that the a4 is separated from its tender is also exaggerating it’s length :)

I’m very fond of the real life number 93, so I couldn’t miss out on having a RTR model of it 

3 hours ago, Delta_Who said:

Looking back at the talk about TRS trains smoke/Bournemouth West smoke copyright claims : https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/84/93/74/81e0c775e926b6/GB2578664B.pdf

 

Thing is, I don't know if he's specifically the first to use it? People citing Marklin...and I'm pretty sure some basic childrens toy trains from China do use this. So is this even valid? I dunno... I'm not a copyright expert.

 

I just hope Hornby produce a preserved example with their smoke unit effect. Looked pretty decent on the Scotsman... albeit the intensity could have been better. No doubt also tied to TTS (so cylinder sounds/chuff will be slightly off)

 

 

it’s relatively easy to avoid patent infringement by altering aspects of the design. You can make use of the same principles using different electronics or mechanics and the can arrive at a basically similar result. Even if they want to use the technology directly, it’s perfectly possible that a sensible royalty agreement has been worked out for use of the patent, even if TRS is supplying Rapido directly now.

as this smoke unit has been in the public domain for about a year now and we’ve not had a hint of any patent infringement I personally think the implication that Hornby is being underhanded is a bit much. In a world as small as the model train one, it would have gotten out if there were legal proceedings.

(no implication of underhanded Hornby acts  in the quoted post btw, it was just the most recent post that I could find mentioning it) 

Here’s hoping that my order of ‘Charles’ from Kernow won’t be too long then

On 30/11/2022 at 19:02, 37Junkie22 said:

Hi Guys, hope all are well.

 

This is my first post on the forum as I’m usually just a read and observe. But a friend of mine who’s father in law passed away recently has acquired an huge amount of 00 gauge items. Mostly Bachmann an Hornby with a few Heljan in the mix. There are also 2 sound fitted models from SLW Class 24s I believe.

 

All of these items are BNIB as they were just collected and never used or displayed.

 

He is based in Wolverhampton England and prefers items to be collected.

 

There is no set price for any of these items as he wants a fair price and for them to go to someone who is going to use them. 

 

I will attach photos below and if anyone is interested in any of the locos please kindly let me know and I can make arrangements from there. 
 

This is an amazing collection which is being sold so they can be used and appreciated, so a good chance there are some gems in here that people will be very interested in but as you can imagine it’s also an upsetting time for the family so please keep this in mind.

Hi,

have sent a message about one of the items

3 hours ago, Pacific231G said:

They always were and, for its time, Ffarquahar was a very accomplished small layout. I don't know if the stories included the branch before he built it as a layout but there was a certain amount of cross pollination. Duck the pannier tank, for example was so named because the Gaiety (Castle Art Products) 57xx pannier Awdry bought as a spare loco for Ffraquahar had a definite waddle when it first arrived (later cured but the name stuck).  Gaiety also produced a GWR brake van (telegraph code toad) which may have been the origin of "Toad" in the books.

A lot of the stories used Ffarquahar Mark 1 as their model for illustrations etc. The current touring layout is Ffarquahar Mark 2. The original was far larger and non-portable.

The models did a lot for the stories - Duck’s ‘waddle’ did inspire the character, and Henry’s rebuild at Crewe in the stories was courtesy of Awdry finally calling quits on the first model of NWR no.3 and starting again with a black 5 model. 

3 hours ago, melmerby said:

I would've preferred it if at the time of pre-ordering an actual deposit was taken, (£30 maybe?) like many other retailers and if a price rise was required, then you could either cancel and get the deposit back or leave it and you pay the increase in the balance when the main payment is due.

In fairness, Kernow’s full email acknowledges that they have made misjudgments with this project and that it would have been better for them to wait until further on in the project in order to get a price which was more stable for them. As it is, the long gestation time for this model appears to have eroded their profit margin to the point where the price will have to go up by quite a bit when they do go on sale. 
 

However, as a return on paying up front, they are offering to honour the original price of £179.99 for non-sound models. Considering the quality of their previous products and the sensational look to this one in the running sample, I don’t think there are any concerns on this front. I for one am happy to pay up for one at this stage of development 

Here is the sample model running on the Hornby magazine layout 

I was getting a little uncertain about my order to be honest. Long development time and a recent request from Kernow asking for up front payment to help finance the project had me thinking about dropping the idea.

then I saw the model running on the Hornby layout and immediately handed over the cash on Saturday night :) it looked that good 

Morning all,

couldn’t actually find a bespoke Turbomotive thread to put these in.

Had a brief chat about it with Montana. The EP in black is the loco in LMS condition and the bare metal engine is BR condition with the smoke deflectors. Apparently these are early EPs and have been made with as many tooling options as possible in order to test them, so they aren’t exactly representative of the finished product. Good and hefty models tho, so am personally looking forward to my LMS version.

43 minutes ago, Black 5 Bear said:

The HD Sir Gresley is looking good.

Would the grey cast loco at the bottom of this picture be LMS Turbomotive by any chance?

It would. They had two EPs on display (with and without deflectors). I’m going to post them in the Turbomotive thread (I think there is one?) in a couple of minutes

Got to say the ‘Lord President’ on the Hornby stand at the weekend had me seriously considering getting another one of these beauties on order. Already got 2007 in the pipeline.

phone pic I’m afraid, but I think it still shows that this will be a most impressive model

I think the vitriol that is spouting forth is rather uncalled for. Perfectly nice model, at a perfectly reasonable price for a semi-topical reason. Don’t like it, then not buying it is always an option.

it smacks of people actively looking for reasons to be angry at Hornby, which is a bit peculiar to be honest.

38 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

Yes I’ll go by the footbridge beyond the station  (past the taxi rank) and walk in afterwards, as I’m staying at a hotel here and not have platform access

Half the time at international the ticket barriers are open on the station, so it may be worth checking to see if you could pop down. 

Of course, they could close them when you’re on the platform, but what’s life without a little danger? :)

4 hours ago, Paul H Vigor said:

Ivo Peters photographed the Penrhyn.

Yes. Picked up a DVD of his narrow gauge trips in north wales which record the narrow gauge workings very nicely. However, there is just a bit of SG track shown - there doesn’t appear to have been any standard gauge action when he was filming at the port.

My guesses for locos would have been 3Fs and 4Fs based solely upon the fact that it was on an LMS route and the line would have needed reasonably light engines. 
 

thank you to everyone for your responses. Clearly needs a bit more research.

Morning all,

I'm highly tempted to jump with both feet into a PQR layout based around the dual gauge bridge shared by both the standard and narrow gauge railways across the river Cegin. 
 

However, for the life of me I can’t seem to find any details about the standard gauge trains which served the port. Does anyone have any pics or information that they could share of the locos in use and/or the makeup of the trains which served the port. Flexible on the exact dates involved, maybe leaning more towards the end of things in the 50s/60s, but again, any information is better than none :)

if anyone has any general pics of the PQR that might be useful that would also be gratefully received

Please make sure you have permission from copyright holder before posting :)

thank you in advance:)

2 hours ago, WCML100 said:

 

If I purchase one on Friday will it still be ok? (assuming ticket factory are still accepting)

 

thanks

It will all depend upon ticketmaster. But they also sell tickets on the day if not

8 hours ago, Bucoops said:

 

You snooze you lose?

 

I assume @Edge wasn't snoozing so therefore did not lose.

He ordered them in May while on the way to Fort William :)

Or even dispatched to customers? :)

Seriously, I’m happy to wait for models of this quality. Although do I win anything for ordering my Caledonian sleeper coaches from my berth on the sleeper itself?

On 10/11/2022 at 17:00, Coldgunner said:

@rapidoandy I've yet to send mine off, is there a deadline for sending it back or can I hang on until the parts are in stock for a quick turnaround?

my guess on this is that the longer you wait to send it, the longer until it comes back. As I understand what is happening, waiting for supplies is only one factor in the turnaround and the majority of the time the model spends away will be determined by the Labour involved in getting the corrections made to the lighting circuit. For my part, sending it off as soon as possible is the best bet to get it back quickly 

Really hoping that I can source a DC ‘Charles’ at Warley

12 hours ago, Matt C said:

For those in the know. We will be staying central Birmingham and I WAS going out to the NEC by train on Saturday and Sunday. What bus service would be my best alternative if trains are completely off ? Any advice gratefully received 

The X1 is by far the fastest way of doing it, although the X12 will get you there eventually too. You can catch the X1 opposite moor street station by the bullring and the X12 from Priory Queensway just outside of the large B&M.

I’m fortunate enough to to live all out a twenty minute bus ride away from the NEC, so I’ll be heading over come what may. 

Looking forward to having my own number 93 running about for me. And am very impressed that the price has been kept despite what I imagine are mounting pressures to push it up. Good on Kernow here.

looking pretty spiffy too