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'War of the Worlds' describes a train wreck lying on it's side in Woking station, destroyed by the Martian heat ray. Woking was, in 1898, served by the LSWR.... Technically the heat ray is invisible apart from the visible effects on what it hits but hey-ho There's also a bit later on referring to I think the GNR line with people trying to escape stood on the tender amongst the coal, and the engine running over people in it's path as it heads northwards from the starting point on the outskirts of London too

I've often wondered if anyone would make non-running locomotives... personally i'd buy plenty, i've picked up some of the Atlas Editions N scale locomotives for use as non-running static additions to engine sheds, stations etc either as they are (ie the Midland Spinner and Claud Hamilton) or using the chassis or other parts to kitbash (i'm using one of the 4-4-0's to provide a chassis for a static N Gauge North Eastern Railway O Class/G5 0-4-4T). The Dapol kits presumably sell fairly well...

Well, it's definitely LSWR if you ask me (had to tilt my laptop screen up to get a better view including pony wheel)

This will mean a pretty respectable amount of NER locomotives available, RTR, in N Gauge. So far that will make; DJ Models Q6 (yet to come) Dapol J72 (yet to come) Union Mills D20 Union Mills J26/J27 Union Mills J25

Amazing! Any chance of a Q6 in the 1917 onwards livery (plain black with NE on tender, small cabside plate and locomotive number between the N and E) - more 'orfentic' for 2238. Not that I majorly mind - a Q6 in RTR! Still not sure i'm actually awake....

For anyone interested in the North Eastern Railway and/or railways during the First World War - first copies of my book arrived yesterday, and should be on general sale within a few days [attachment=356892:NERWW1.JPG]

The Q6's were amongst the last too. Even the two NER 1904 built Newcastle Quayside bo-bo electric locomotives (known as the ES1 in LNER and BR days) lasted until 1964

Fascinated by the Edwardian/WW1 era and far too young to have experienced 'real' steam, however my grandparents lived across the field from a disused NER branch line, and close to Beamish open air museum, hence the interest! Fortunately in N gauge there are three RTR NER types thanks to Union Mills, and luckily the Newcastle Quayside and Shildon-Newport electric locomotives are available thanks to Judith Edge. Pendraken offers 2mm WW1 vehicles which can provide late 1910's cars and lorries, and also WW1 vehicles for military trains. With the sheer variety of different locomotives, rolling stock, interesting prototypes and pride in the railways much then, it's a lot more interesting than run down, on the brink of closure BR

Believe mention was made a little while ago by Tanfield that they were looking at the possibility of getting one of the two Harton electrics running again (with a battery no doubt, just as the Stephenson Railway Museum run their Harton loco) - would be fantastic to see it done, and maybe with the NRM's North Eastern Railway Quayside electric!

Wow! VERY impressive. Now how about a Claughton.... Must get around to buying another J25 after selling mine off years ago

For my book I used a variety of sources - it may not be applicable to modelling as it was covering an era and what happened rather than a specific subject like station track plans etc; 1) Join the Society and ask where I can get further information 2) Archives - for the North Eastern Railway, the superb Ken Hoole study centre at Darlington, and also the National Railway Museum at York. Both locations had copies of the company magazine for the era I was researching as well as superb photo archives - sometimes a photo really does tell a thousand words 3) Books - no matter if at first glance it won't appear to cover anything new, from most books I didn't think would be useful, and for the most part weren't, just a few lines within the text provided tantalising leads to new information 4) Perseverance, perseverance, perseverance! If it wasn't for the fact I was writing a book on the subject so I knew i'd recoup some money from the research, I otherwise wouldn't have been able to justify the money spent on it or the time spent on chasing information (although please don't get the idea i'm actually going to make a lot of money out of a railway book - i'll be lucky to recoup my research expenses)

4-2-2 would be superb - plus opens up the possibility for a North Eastern Railway one too!

Don't forget the Lifeboat! Although sadly no-one makes one of that era anymore (only two in OO i'm aware of are 1970's and modern day)

Here's a shot from 1916 showing women engine cleaners at York

I'd seen the t shirts of 'pugs not drugs' (with the dog) far before Michael's avatar, and love it! Considered doing a t shirt?!

'Came out' about the hobby to find she had a layout before I did. Sorted!

PGN on here was going to re-issue the Highfield NER kits and sent me some to build which I haven't got around to - he hasn't been on the forum for a long long time though so i've no idea what the current state of play is, very nice chap

Ah, so it is! Impressive how four of the Harton locos survive - I saw No 9 a couple of days ago and looked rather worse for wear, No 10 is inside at Tanfield and looking good in green, and No 2 is outside at Beamish in black, not great but in better condition than No 9

Fenman, it's the first i've heard of it. I recall ES1 is the class designation, can't remember by LNER or BR though. At first in NER service they both had 'CLASS ELECTRIC 1' on the bufferbeam but apparently this wasn't seen in any NER documentation. The writing was very small and faint and underneath the coupling, I can only notice it on a head-on shot of No 2 as built with the bonnet mounted bow collector so can't tell how long it lasted, so it appears the NER didn't actually name the Quayside electric class, or any of the other electrics. a quick flick through the Ken Hoole book doesn't show any of the three electrics referred to as ES1, EF1 or EE1 either The best book is Ken Hoole's 'The Electric Locomotives of the North Eastern Railway', one of the first railway books I bought at a young age, believe it's out of print now. Some parts are incorrect, Bill Donald as mentioned previously has done a lot of research into the NER electrics, both locomotives and units, the most interesting thing to me that he has discovered is that the bonnet mounted bow collector was removed before they entered service in 1905. There is an RTR of the ES1, made by ETS and also appears in a European livery, quite a nice model and if I had the money i'd pick it up as my only O gauge piece of stock! http://www.ets-trains.com/detailzbozi.php?IDZbozi=802&PHPSESSID=2aaf0fa931dd9172dfdb5b54301f5af6 No idea why but i've got a major soft spot for the ES1, my earliest memory of it is having a side-on view sticker of one in a sticker book of locomotives when I was little sometime in the 90s and been an avid fan since. Maybe one day it will be brought back into operation - i've been told by an NRM member of staff that it would certainly be possible. I suppose it could be done like Harton 9 at the North Tyneside, with a battery in a towed wagon, I don't know if it would be possible to run it at places like Crich, Beamish etc? Well, when I win the lottery... Regarding No 2 apparently there was an attempt to preserve it when withdrawn, i've no idea who by though, would have been nice to have 100% of the class preserved though! With all the replica steam and now diesel locomotive groups appearing, how about a replica of an EF1, or even Raven's express passenger electric? Imagine that on the East Coast mainline!

Good pages for information on both; EF1 - http://www.lner.info/locos/Electric/ef1eb1.shtml ES1 - http://www.lner.info/locos/Electric/es1.shtml Saw one of two numberplates from EF1 No 5 at Darlington today, not aware of any other surviving bits of the EF1's unfortunately

Yep, that's me again on the LNER Forum!

Certainly did! Don't know when it last ran but would like to see it do so, interesting way of doing so with the batteries in an adjoining wagon with a discrete lead between the two. Would like to see the same done with the ES1....

Tyneside Electric Motor Luggage Van 3267, built at York in 1904 by the North Eastern Railway, was used for parcels etc and were powerful enough to haul other vans. A ventilated compartment at one end (you can see the louvred doors) was used to carry fish from Cullercoats and Tynemouth. This one was retired in 1937 then converted into a de-icing vehicle, with the motors removed, and antifreeze mixture sprayed onto the third rail. I'm not sure if the bogies show the original electric pick up shoe or the equipment for spraying

Thanks, the reflection and wing section did confuse me! Regarding the Quayside electrics, here's more photos of the surviving ES1 taken yesterday, saw the 1904 parcels van today at the Stephenson Railway Museum so will post those up next The door on the ES1 had been left ajar so got some more snaps from cab floor level You can see the BR Logo underneath the preservation era paint