Unknown Warrior

SE&CR D Class and LNWR jumbo “Hardwick.”

Yes the boiler takes up more space in the cab of the 16 inch, as I have mentioned in a previous post, thus making firing more tricky. I fire both!

This photo, taken in 2010 during the reassembly of Ferrybridge No 3 (14 inch built 1954) after overhaul at EVR, may be helpful to show the construction of the later cabs, not modeled by Hattons. Thanks Dave for the info re the tooling for the cabs.

The tanks and the boilers on the 16 inch are larger. See my photos in post 229 on p10 of this thread.

Good change! Could form the basis of a model of Eecclesbourne Vaalley Railway's 16 inch ex Kilnhurst Tar Works "Henry Ellison" see photos in some of my earlier posts in this thread.

Always wanted to put C crest R on Henry Ellison but so far without success!

Even with the mechanical lubricator our two don't like more than 15mph, otherwise the boxes tend to get quite hot!

I do sense a lot of twisted nicker elastic over the lack of daylight under the boiler. I have been trawling through my archive relating to the two Andrew Barclays in our care at the Ecclesbourne Valley Railway: 14 inch Ferrybridge No. 3, now know as "Brian Harrison," after the person who bought it for Preservation, Works number 2360, built 1954. Restored to working order and entered traffic in 2010. Currently operational. 16 inch Henry Ellison, works number 2217, built 1947, also operational, entered traffic 2012 and is rostered for a footplate experience course and then passenger traffic on Saturday 23rd September. Probably the last steaming of the season.. Close examination of the photos should convince all but the hardened pedants that from most angles the absence of daylight under the boiler on the Hattons' model is neither here nor there. In my view Hattons are right to have made sure that these locos can shift prototypical length trains. We have used both our Barclays from time to time to time to rearrange stock in the yard which can result in long, heavy consists, including type 2/3 diesels on complex track layouts, which they have always succeeded in doing more than adequately. My order for "Katie" stands. Having helped to overhaul and now maintain and operate the EVR's two Barclays, I may be a little biased but I am also confident that I will actually end up with a model, unlike the pre-order I placed with my local Hornby Stockist for a Peckett, which he was unable to fulfill as he didn't receive any at all! The eagle eyed among you will note that we have modified both locos to cope with the rigors of passenger traffic. They were after all designed for shunting and not for a 17 mile round trip with passenger stock at 10 to 15 mph. We have therefor fitted mechanical lubricators to supply the needs of the axle boxes and the pistons, two different oils, so two lubricators. It is my understanding that our 14 inch and 16 inch Barclays have the same size frames. The result is that the larger boiler of the 16 inch takes up more space in the cab, which is the same size on both locos. We have a special shorten shovel for firing the 16 inch! One question for Dave: "How easy is it to remove the cabs, as if i want to replicate the two EVR ABs, I will need to indulge in some fairly drastic surgery Hope the attached photos are useful..

Attached a couple of photos taken yesterday of the EVR ABs at Wirksworth of the gap between the boiler and frames on the 14 inch (Green) and 16 inch (Blue). The 16 inch is not very helpful as it was in the shed but I offer the photos for information.

The Fell. There was one available and you might find one on eBay. I believe it is quite challenging but can made up into a good model. A friend of mine has one which was finished and painted professionally. I have a photo somewhere and I will post it if I can find it. I do hope that someone will produce a ready to run version in due course. There are two versions and a least two liveries to go for. I would go for final livery in BR Green with late emblem which I saw in Derby works in early 1956.

Well I can always live in hope, Aerolite is one of my favourite locos in the National Collection. However I would expect to see a Manor first!

Two photos of Andrew Barclay 16 inch 0-4-0 ST "Henry Ellison," on the 1 in 27 incline at Wirksworth on The Ecclesbourne Valley Railway. Waiting to descend back to Wirksworth with a passenger train showing open back cab and light engine storming up the incline.

All three belong to the Toy Era. The single is particularly bad as it was stretched to fit the "Lord of the Isles chassis.

NER: Q6 & J72, that is two more than any of the Scottish Companies! At least there is a CR liveried Andrew Barclay in the Hatton's offering. Was this loco ever owned by the CR? By the way pre-grouping offerings for the GWR include: Dean Goods, City, Star, 28XX, 43XX, 45XX, 47XX, 42XX, Dean Pannier plus the rearranging of pre-grouping bits know as the "Dukedog!"

Well it will save me trying to get hold of a Peckett. Outstanding pre-order will be cancelled. "Katie" looks much more attractive. As I drive the two preserved AB's at the Ecclesbourne Valley Railway, which I also helped to restore, no competition really!

Hopefully one or both of the AB's at Ecclesbourne Valley Railway will feature in due course: Ferrybridge No.3 (14 inch) and Kilnhurst Tar Works "Henry Ellison," (16 inch.) "Henry Ellison" would make a particularly attractive model with it's open back cab, so all the cab detail could be on view. Attractive Caledonian Style blue livery as well! Last roster for the season driving Henry Ellison at Wirksworth on Saturday 23rd September.

Disappointed that it is not the Midland Kirtley 2-4-0, but something to look forward to for the future! Meanwhile another one fo the "Bluebell Collection!" Hopefully Hornby will produce the H Class: 263 as preserved and the D Class will be added to the NRM collection. The O1 would be the icing on the cake! The Bachmann Bird Cage Coaches are nearly with us so what a line up and all in pre-grouping livery. Who would have even dreamt of this 10 years ago!

We will not know for certain until we see the finished model. I just hope that it is better than Hornby's previous efforts at Crimson Lake/Midland Red. At least this time around they do seem to be making an effort to get it somewhere near right for which they should be commended.

I would say the red in the photo is spot on. Certainly the Hornby colour does not appear to be any where near! The issue of the flange less fixed trailing wheels surfaces again. A manage iritent on all Hornby Pacifics. Bachmann have manage to solve this!

1450 does not have a top feed at all, which is quite noticeable. Do I want to start butchering a limited edition to get it right? That is however not the point I am trying to make. On one hand Hornby are using detailed difference on the Bluebell H Class as an excuse for not producing it, while on the other hand they are happy to knock ou a special limited edition with a very obvious inaccuracy. They also happily continue to knock out countless variations of their Terrier, many of which are hopelessly inaccurate. The Terrier is long overdue for a revamp, and if Hornby don't do it I am sure someone else will. Dapol already produce good models in both N and O gauge and certainly the later is tooled to accommodate many of the variations. They have done much of the work already!

When I asked at Warley last year why Hornby were not doing the Bluebell example of the H class as their version in SECR livery the responce was that there were detailed differences which had not been included in the tooling. However I see that the model of 1450 for the Warley Limited edition has a top feed which the preserved 1450 does not, see photo on engine shed. Get you act together Hornby.

I hope the shade of red is down to reproduction in the magazines and on screen. Hornby have yet to get MR/LMS/BR Red right. It would be a tragedy if they do not manage to get it right for Sir William!

I do hope so Andy. As one of the people who preordered Dodo and didn't get one. Maybe one day I will be the owner of a Hornby Peckett. After all the Eagles did get back together.

LNWR Black livery arrived at Ecclesbourne Valley Railway Shop at Wirksworth yesterday.

I hope the Caley 812 is not on Hornby's radar. Bachmann are the kings of complex pregrouping liveries and they have already done the Fairburn Tank (as preserved) in Caley Livery. Also Hornby are very slow to do preserved locos although they have done some. The decision to do the H Class in SE&CR Livery but not as the one preserved at the Bluebell I find totally incomprehensible. Incidentally so do The Bluebell. Anyway do Hornby know where Scotland is? Afteral they are down in the Deep South. Bachmann do at least have a director who is actively involved in producing books on Scottish Railways! My apologies for wandering off topic.