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I think it demonstrates the point. It looks black. I'm not really into multiple stripes but this is at the opposite end of the spectrum . Completely bland and boring. I'd vote it one of the worst liveries around . Conversely I've just spent Friday and Saturday in a lovely flat at Spittal, Berwick upon Tweed , with the ECML at the bottom of the field. Have to say I'm very impressed with Virgin EC livery on both 91s and HSTs . That's a proper livery. Also surprised at the amount of stock wearing the new livery. It's certainly in the majority, particularly with coaching stock

Best picture I've seen of it yet. Thanks D1059. However its still too dull for me . It needs some relief, I think one or two stripes would have livened it up a bit. If it looks dull in a good day , its going to be very non descript under the usual leaden skies and non existent in dark. Also didn't GNER eventually have to take its cast logos off because of corrosion underneath? Don't we learn anything from history? At least it'll give Hornby another livery for its HSTs

Jenny, thanks for the Video. I was only ever a Triang Hornby man, but I do love Dublo and the trains of the era , so this video is something out of the ordinary. My modern trains are much more accurate and I try to keep as close to prototype movements as I can, but I do wonder in the course of doing so if we have lost the fun of just playing trains. Sometimes it good to get back to basics Again many thanks

Lucky if they had "go at all" stripes. Something that Heljan managed to replicate perfectly in the "OO" guage one

Really love Glendevon and never tire of seeing it. I especially love watching the shunting movements . The lush countryside, just a reminder of the way things once were. Nice to see it getting extended

But is that just Hattons estimate?.Remember the issue over the Marsh Atlantic

They want to have a look at Book Law then. Although in fairness it seems to be an outlier. I'm always bemused by constant tales of how much labour is going up and why models are getting more expensive, yet when somebody comes up with an idea that saves labour we find it really won't save that much........? Which is it then?

I didn't view that as a rant, just some constructive criticism on how the model could have been better. And on the whole I think the points being made are within context. An un rebuilt Crosti is no use to me , but it looks a very good model. Hoping it does well and a rebuilt one follows. That could very well prove tempting

Or Ian Allan as I think they sold their mags to Key Publishing

Yes , your last point is my fear, but I Suspect I'm coming in the opposite direction. I think most would agree that this model is a strange mix of Railroad and Standard and is priced as such at about £117 I think. My fear is that Hornby will think they can get away with charging £120 for Railroad items which were coming in at £80 mark ( eg P2) while I think your fear is that items that could be super detailed will end up in Railroad range. I think more than ever it again emphasizes the need for range distinctions. Again what motor is in this one is it 5 pole or 3 pole ? In their defence this is probably one of the last locos from the Kohler era where loco standards from one release to another were very mixed.

Completely agree . People talk about the shape of Deltics nose ,and I can't see it . Even this hoo ha about handrails being attached horizontally , can't see it. But this is a very obvious fault which actually ruins the character of the model , to the extent it's not worth having.

Yes I suppose you're correct Tim. The only points I would make are that a 116 ran on WR, LMR and ScR so was much more widespread , and therefore I think more useful to modellers than a 117 that was primarily a WR London division dmu. From my point of view it would have been preferable to have a 116 first and then a 117. After all the model is probably optimistically 2 years away, and therefore any derivatives 4 years away! I think there is a muted reaction to this announcement (it's got to 2 pages in 2 days)because it's really an announcement of something we thought we were already in line for through Kernow anyway, and in fact may put the 116 and 118 further away. We haven't seen the price so it may well be an irrelevance anyway It would also be interesting to see the number of intended buyers that are DCC versus Analogue as the provision of through electrical couplings to enable one decoder to be fitted must increase the cost. I can also live without lights and would settle for a similar scheme as the 108 for head and tail lights , if it meant it was less expensive.

Can only assume it's a 117 because of Kernow correction. For me a 116 is a lost opportunity . Much more geographically widespread, 117s only really became more widespread in their later lives. I'm still waiting to see what Kernow mean by saying they haven't forgotten 116 and 118. DJ is saying the 117 transfer to Bachmann releases time for other projects , does that mean he is not progressing the 116/118 either? Are Bachmann working with Kernow to bring us the 116/118 later or has this Bachmann announcement of a 117 effectively shelved these projects ? Also the announcement would have been more meaningful if it included a rough timeline (as was asked is this at the back of the queue , behind the Class 90 or is it well advanced) and of course price. The inclusion of neither suggests the 117 could be years away

Yes thanks Callum, another excellent video, and I must admit I hadn't clocked the difference with the smoke deflectors between the early and late versions until you pointed it out. Sorely tempted, but I think it's just the hype of something new. It it were a rebuilt Crosti I might have bought one though.

I happened to be in one today, when someone came into enquire if they had the new Crosti. They said they'd had acknowledgement from Hornby that the stock was in warehouse and that they were expecting their delivery in 7 to 10 days . They also said they had tried to order more as their entire stock was already accounted for by pre orders , but that it was sold out at Hornby. Only hearsay, but I hope it helps. Hopefully someone like Trains4U, Widnes Model Centre or 87029 can confirm.

Give them a little time. They are probably shipping to model shops at the same time as offering them for sale on website.

I definitely don't have knowledge of that!

I have a Gaugemaster DS from about 1992 I think and a H &M Clipper from 1975! Neither have given me any trouble . As pointed out above the raised panel DS is a more recent version .

Many thanks for the response. At the end of the day it's an individual's decision whether they buy models or not. As to happiness , I appreciate that many of my posts are whingeing on about value for money, but believe it or not I am a naturally happy chappy, and in true Scots fashion , never happier than when getting good value.

Definitely a brake Gresley coach in there at £49.95 in teak if anyone interested. Lots of new Pullmans at £49.95 too. There may be others but I wasn't paying too much attention. The Modelzone in Glasgow has been stocked up in recent months and has a good range on display. Occasionally they run discounts as well giving 15- 20% off so it's worth keeping an eye on. Anyway the price comparison was being made to demonstrate the absurdity of Bachmann prices , which I think it does

This is an outlier I was in Model zone , WHS Glasgow today and teak Gresleys are priced 49.95. Not exactly known for their cheap prices I would think this is mrp

But as I keep on saying, this is the wrong comparison, and what makes people like Bachmann think they can charge whatever they want , presumably up to £250 because it's still a bargain compared to a hand made version. This is a mass produced piece of plastic , with some very clever machines decorating it. It is not a largely hand assembled , hand painted coach. Yes there are possibly more assembly involved in this coach compared to Mk1s of 15 years ago , but it's still limited.

I'm waiting for the diagram of exploded parts that will no doubt appear in due course to justify this price, or the fact that it's a relatively unknown prototype ( I don't think that but I'm sure it'll be a reason ) to justify the need to charge more . If you go by the immediate postings above , which seem particularly selfish to me, you will end up with European prices and by their own hand" less modellers " . Not very good for the market or hobby I would suggest. Howls of protest? Well others have already made the point. Hornby are bringing in detailed coaches at £10-£15 less . I haven't got one, but their latest Pullmans seem well regarded , with LED lighting and cost less than these Thompsons . Both made in China, one at a third party subcontractor (usually more expensive), the other in house at the parents manufacturing facility . What other conclusions are possible other than Bachmann/Kader are trying to maximise the profit on these coaches at the expense of the British consumer. The new reality? Well only if you make it so.

Just glad I bought from the last batch of Thompson coaches produced by Bachmann in Crimson & Cream. £18 each . Not so long ago! My only issue was that they weren't free running but unusually had very stiff bogies. These costs are absurd, completely agree with Rembrow as to the likely reason (Sorry costs are not going up that much- what other consumer goods from China do you know has gone up in price at the same rate?). Bachmann are the new Wrenn in terms of market pricing , and will become increasingly irrelevant.