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Wigan North Western Platform 1 with loco heading north - loco and stock would suggest Manchester to Blackpool club train diverted to run through Wigan rather than the more normal Bolton - Preston.

Hi David, Consulting the following website throws up that on that day 47.617 had worked 1E20 10:40 Leeds - Carlisle. http://class47archives.blogspot.com/2013_12_18_archive.html#Apr1987 I must admit that when I first saw the image it put me in mind of an S&C type working - I checked the date and Easter Sunday of that year was on 19th April so I wonder whether there were engineering works going on that precluded the stock from being taken back to Upperby? Could it have been going into Kingmoor Yard to run round and head back to Carlisle where it would form 1E33 16:15 Carlisle - Leeds?

Hi David, The Poole - Glasgow / Edinburgh working would have been 1S39 08:34 Poole - Glasgow / Edinburgh whilst the ex Harwich P.Q. working was 1S85 07:50 Harwich P.Q. - Glasgow / Edinburgh. The latter working previously carried the "European" named train title but with the Summer 1987 timetable the name changed to the "Rhinelander" and was given to the Harwich P.Q. - Manchester Piccadilly service instead. Would the ECS heading over Etterby Bridge be en-route to Stranraer? I always presumed ECS stock at Carlisle was dealt with at Upperby.

Apologies if it has been mentioned but the Wigan Corporation Tramways depot building is still extant as a storage depot, situated in Platt Bridge (street name a dead give away to its original use).

Good to see the new development - can remember when the sidings were used for stabling MGR rakes in between Bickershaw / Fidlers Ferry duties along with acting as a dump for withdrawn stuff. Here's my link to those past times.

Hi Tony, Here's my application for membership of the rivet counter brigade although my ability to turn models of value into worthless chunks might not be enough to gain entry. I know next to nothing about road vehicles of the early 1960s and yet I decided that I wanted to model some sort of brewery dray wagon. Part of my enjoyment of the hobby is carrying out the research of a subject and then having to come up with solutions in building them. After much reading on line and perusal of a lot of images I've plumped for an ERF KV and have made a start in debasing an EFE model (so far I've removed the original flat bed and started to scratch build a replacement out of brass, doctored the front radiator grill and headlights and hacked the under frame around). The finished article may not be 100% accurate but any knowledge I accumulate will go into the build to allow as good a representation as possible given my abilities and information I have to hand. I know that the end result will be inferior to the model that came out of the box but then I might be waiting a good while for the manufacturers to get around to providing one and in between I have the fun in learning about new subjects.

According to the timetable the next up working to the "Royal Scot" would have been the 10:35 Glasgow Central - Liverpool Lime Street / Manchester Victoria (which conveyed a portion from Edinburgh which left Waverley at 10:21). The Train Marshalling Circular of the time shows this to be composed of Mk2 Air Braked stock (not shown as air conditioned) so possible this was the working shown. The full consist was given as BFK - FK - TSO - RMB - TSO - TSO - BFK - TSO - TSO - TSO - NEA The next possible culprit was 11:23 Glasgow - Birmingham New Street (again with a Edinburgh portion) which was Mk2 Air Conditioned stock The stock for the "Royal Scot" shows as Mk3 and was composed of NEA - FO - FO - RKB - TSO - TSO - TSO - TSO - TSO - TSO

Interestingly the BR diagram book shows them as lettered CARFLAT P and the stated use for these vehicles was to carry two BP type containers to Diagram 3/170 so that is presumably what is illustrated in the two images. The only thing against 1/096 is that according to the Diagram book the wooden flooring was removed to reveal the underframe but in all other respects it fits the bill. Interestingly I found the following announcement regarding traffic between Linwood and Coventry dating from August 1969 which suggests that the Diagram 3/170 Containers may have been a product of Rootes and not British Railways. http://archive.commercialmotor.com/article/8th-august-1969/21/british-rail-and-rootes-f2im-deal

Another subtle difference I've spotted is with horizontal rivet lines on the tank barrel - if you divide the tank into three zones with the central zone being the one with the filler then some have a line of rivets to each side of the central zone (which is smooth) whilst others have a single line on the central zone but are smooth on the adjacent zones. I'm not sure what variant will eventually be released as the OR engineering sample image would appear to show the first style (rivets - smooth - rivets) whilst the livery sample images show the second style (smooth - rivets - smooth).

The following links might prove of worth: Timesegment Ltd Network Rail Recycling If they don't have the necessary components / information available then they might know the relevant people to contact.

Think your correct with that Jonathan as there doesn't appear to be any chain pockets evident so not a Conflat wagon (was concentrating more on the load!). Found the following entry re: the 'Maiden Lane' title which may throw a little more light on the working: https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/willesden-duchesses.235641/page-3 The following post (number 53) gives:

The current Heinz factory at Kitt Green, which came into full production in 1959 has never been rail connected but prior to this the company had another Wigan facility at Standish which was served by rail. This was the former Bradley Hall Ministry of Supply site which had new sidings installed in 1940 to connect it to the WCML. Heinz leased the buildings with responsibility for the rail connection passing to them in 1946. As Kitt Green came on line, Heinz scaled back the Standish operation with the sidings being taken out of use by 1962. The Harlesden facility seemed to be a much bigger rail head according to this photograph: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32413393@N00/2642263240/ If the van is a 1/223 type the number range according to Dave Larkin was a prototype numbered B781751 (lettered "To Be Returned To Willesden") and BR782854 - BR782872. The fifth vehicle back, a Conflat, appears to my eyes to be loaded with a Scarab tractor unit while the eighth, also a Conflat, is conveying a container which appears to have been covered with a tarpaulin suggesting a defective roof. Given this and the very ad-hoc consist could it be a working of stock destined for repair?

Hi Jonathan, going along with Brian's suggestion could it be a Dia 1/223 Palvan which had similar characteristics to the "Izal" vans? The main difference was the doors were cupboard style rather than sliding - comparison of your image to those Paul Bartlett has of 1/223 vans would suggest that it's very similar, see the following: https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brheinzpalvan

Just had an email from Hattons re: my pre-order for a Bachmann Class 24/1 to say that they cannot fulfil the order and thus has been cancelled. Phoned to see whether it was as a result of too many pre-orders but Hattons have said that they will not be honouring any Bachmann pre-orders so presume that Bachmann are not going to be sending stock any time soon.

In that case the likely working would be 8E07 07:12 SX Toton East Yard - Whitemoor which was booked to pass Bingham at 07:54 which would tally with your recollections.

J7329 Bottesford Down Freight 25.306 - the October 1980 - May 1981 WTT for conditional train services provides details for 7M06 10:05 SX Whitemoor -Toton New Bank which, given the consist seen, might be a contender? In the up direction was 8E12 14:39 SX Toton East Yard - Whitemoor (J7513?)

According to the LMR Passenger Train Marshalling Circular May 1979 the formation from Cardiff to Crewe (and vice versa) was as follows: Coach A TSO Coach B BSK Coach C CK Coach D TSO Coach E BSK Coach F CK It also specifies that the services used Western Region stock.

On first inspection it looks great but then something rattled my pea brain as to not being quite right - anyone else noticed that the InterCity Swallow on this side is upside down? The longer part of the forked tail should be to the bottom whereas it's the opposite on this side of the loco (although correct on the opposing side).

I visited the depot on 22nd March 1987 and according to my notes the 25s on shed that day were 25.254, 25.907 & 25.908. All three were withdrawn awaiting removal for scrapping along with 08s 08.284 / 293 / 396 / 477.

I was the vendor in question but I'm not a trader (Aspire Gifts & Models didn't make it to the show) - I was there to dispose of a close friends collection of books and WTTs The item in question was similar to the one listed with British Railway Books: https://britishrailwaybooks.co.uk/wtt/scregion/br31009-abcde-070964.php If you browse through the other Scottish Region timetables that Gary offers then there are a few for your chosen area, see: https://britishrailwaybooks.co.uk/wtt/scregion/scregionindex.php I think the one I sold was for 1956 and judging by the buyer's accent it is now residing north of Hadrian's Wall - there are always a good number of Scottish modellers at the show so most of the WTTs for the area went on the Saturday. The only ones I have left are for Section C covering passenger services out of Glasgow Buchanan Street. I should add a very big thank you to Steve Roberts and the other WFRM members for allowing me to set up shop over the weekend - your time and effort in accommodating me were very much appreciated.