Hal Nail

Edit: Realised i've jumped back a page and thought someone was just asking - i then went on to describe all the following replies that I knew I'd seen somewhere. This must be what getting old is all about Anyway will leave the photos here now.

Seems a bit unlikely we will reach a consensus on this here then.... I'll check back in a week and see how you are all getting on!

I like that - subtle tones. I've only recently started playing with powders - with paints you know exactly what tone you will get whereas even a black powder can have all sorts of weird tints so its a bit trial and error. But I have read frequently that varnishing spoils the effect - I've never tried so don't know!

Apologies to Graham for this diversion but hopefully relevant. I think these are the same type? https://www.railwaystationphotographs.co.uk/chalford-railway-station-photo-coates---brimscombe-kemble-to-stroud-line-13-6416-p.asp Cheers Ian

Agreed they look different but that's a very dark photo generally. Unless all the colours and lighting in a shot look natural and clear, I think it's impossible to interperate anything accurately.

I got on a Cardiff service at Romsey last month, and I got a seat. Prototype for everything.

I thought I replied already but just wanted to say thanks for all the info re crimson/maroon. Conclusive enough for my decision!

Many thanks. For some reason I thought the model one was much more squashed than it actually is.

Middle. https://www.railcar.co.uk/type/class-121/liveries

I've been toying with one of these - a bit more "typical" than Timber Track's Chalford. Could I please ask if you could take a photo of the canopy ends - they don't look quite right to me on the website pics and I was thinking I might try and negotiate getting just the building. Thanks in advance!

If someone receiving a green one can please confirm if the whiskers meet in the middle or are spaced either side of the non-existent headcode, as in the sample, that will influence whether I go green or blue. Thanks!

All photographs are automatically the copywrite of the person who took them but whether anyone is going to mind someone using one to illustrate a point, as opposed to commercially, is debateable!

Really nicely done. Not tempted to make one an 09? Good comparison of the wasp stripes - the backs are much the same but something odd going on at the front on the right hand one, which is also how the original Dapol batch that I have looked. The very top stripe seems to change direction and get steeper above the radiator. I think I'll live with it but if I get a chance to pick up a later one, I might weather and then sell on the first.

I regarded this as cheating until about half way through completion of my first china clay conversion. Somewhere around the 50th added bolt head I decided larger than prototypical sheets was the way forward

Now that green shade is spot on. W Stroudley.

There is an existing thread here which some people will be following and therefore more likely to notice a new post. o

Do you happen to know of BR totem transfers? The biggest problem with modifying vehicles is that you lose all the printed labels etc. Although someone did tell me about a Bedford badge the other day which would be handy for the TK (if only I could remember where I read it!) ps a long debate elsewhere seems to have concluded vehicles were always crimson rather than maroon.

Just picked up one of these for much less than usual. Will be a fun side project to do up as a flat bed. Was maroon actually correct? Logically before 1956 this didn't even exist so presumably would have been crimson. I find it slightly hard to believe they bothered to repaint lorries but even for new deliveries, did they then bring in maroon but retain the cream unlike coaching stock? Plenty of models and preserved vehicles in maroon and cream but I cant actually find a period photo of one. It looks convincing and doesn't bother me, just curious.

I think the glazing blocks it and you need to pop that out if I remember correctly. I've taken 3 apart to hack them up (enviably still in pieces some years later) and I don't recall it being anything more complicated than that.

Yes and thanks for reply, but Im asking which red? Nearly all the various models available and plenty of preserved vehicles are in later maroon and cream. All the period photos I've ever seen appear to be the earlier crimson (and cream). Given coaching stock never had maroon and cream, I'm asking did vehicles? I suspect the answer may be yes for new deliveries between c'57 and '63 but it was probably rarer because most older vehicles simply retained their earlier crimson.

If the "maroon" ones are actually the more appropriate BR crimson, I can't think of a better way to avoid confusion than calling calling them BR crimson, personally.

I did offer once and was told they know what they are doing, or words to that effect! (Not suggesting I'm an expert, just the right blend of observant and dull!)

On the Hattons generic 4 and 6 wheelers thread there have been several mentions of generic short bogie coaches. I suspect Dapol are thinking these will have appeal beyond those modelling their actual routes.

Bit surprised this revelation hasn't attracted more comment. Must be something in the water - 100 is seen as a good innings where I live.

I'm still not clear on the standard vehicle livery between c1957 and 1963 yellow. Would new vehicles in that period have been painted later maroon and cream (which isn't consistent with coaching stock) or are all vehicles with cream, actually still in the earlier crimson? (Edit - other than these chocolate and cream exceptions)