cairnsroadworks

Not up to @Daddyman standards but here is my latest take on 37801. Already did it RF style, thought an EWS one was required. Full repaint of modifications as per the real thing in and around 1994. 
 

2 hours ago, Daddyman said:

This is my 37423. I have no need for a loco in this livery, but reading Nick Meskell's books can be dangerous... Still a few jobs to do - glazing, more air pipes, ETS and MW pipes, metal arrows of indecision, possibly a few other things. 

 

An outdoor shot in rather too bright sun before I noticed it needed the fuel capacity wording. The fuel tank to underframe gap has been corrected by removing the detail between tanks and frame and reseating the former, but it's all lost in shadow here!  

Indoor shots 

This one seems to be afflicted with particularly setback glazing:  

 

The loco has had new ploughs from PH Designs as I've run out of Heljan class 47 ones. I don't like the fitting of the PH ploughs, especially on the centre one, and am not convinced by the shape of the centre one either, so I've left it off. I modified the fitting by inserting a piece of 0.6 wire up the "boxes" at the back of the PH ploughs, and then drilled this into the b.beam: 

 

 

This has been P4'd with Branchlines coach wheels mounted on the original Bachmann axles - we'll see how bad an idea that was. There were clearance problems on the brake pull rods so I replaced them with 0.3 wire, drilling out the shoes to give a firm fixing. Th

 

The next shot shows the cut-out on the corner of the b.beam and replacement ETS fittings with my own resin castings that I made some years ago - original source unknown. On my first new-gen Bachmann 37 I replaced the feeds to the brake cylinders with 0.3 wire, but you're looking at a week in rehab (at least) after that, so nowadays I leave the originals. 

The curve of the Bachmann pipes is wrong - airpipes curve out from the b.beam and then dangle vertically. I kept Bachmann's cocks as they're OK (I know, I know), and drilled them to take 0.5 wire bent to shape and crimped at the end to represent the connections at the other end. 

 

I also replaced the handbrake chains with 40-links-per-inch chain from Branchlines. The roof fan is Shawplan, obviously, and all transfers from Railtec. Oh, and the aerial is a toothbrush bristle - not my idea!  

 

This has had quite a lot of work done on getting the work-worn look to the finish. As I've said earlier in this thread, Bachmann didn't bother to paint the upper grey band behind the sector logo, so when you remove it you're left with a square of the lower bodyside colour intruding into the upper grey band. As the grey looked wrong anyway - or wrong for a weathered loco - I repainted the whole band with LMS grey mixed with white as there's quite a blue tinge to the band in photos of locos in 1993/4. I then gave the whole body a white filter coat, laying it on pretty thick on the roof as on the real thing this area looks far paler than the colour supplied on models. Not sure about the lower bodyside colour, even after the white filter - shouldn't this be the same colour as the grey in blue-and-grey carriages? 

 

I paid a lot of attention to the roof weathering. There is a tome to be written on the subject. Before the rot really sets in, 37s tend to have clean patches on their roofs - between roof fan and roof hatches, between roof hatches and cant rail, and between roof fan and cant rail. At the same time, there will be muck in all the seams and around all the straps, even in those clean areas - this begins to collect after just one journey. Modellers (and "professional" weathering companies) tend to just squirt some muck on the roof vaguely along the centre area, but there are two problems with that: first, it doesn't get the muck into the seams, and second, it ignores the characteristic clean patches on a 37 roof. My process is to coat the roof with a muck mix and then wipe it off, leaving it collected in seams and around strapping. Only then can the airbrush come out, being used to mist exhaust carbons on certain areas - longways from the exhausts, drifting over the hatches and part of the boiler room roof, and in the fan itself. I then use black pastels (the darkest, mattest black I know) to add some darker patches around the exhaust ports proper, and perhaps in the fan grille. The effect can be seen here, with the clean (and faded) patches in evidence: 

My goodness that is off the scale fabulous. Well done. Also glad to hear that you share my niggles about roof weathering. I’m fact weathering in general, and the clean (faded) bodysides instead of the approach that some take where dirt is just clarted all over them. Great inspiration for everyone here. 

31 minutes ago, Johnson Street IEMD said:

On topic, then, my first DB92 is about to land in the coming weeks, 92042 is the chosen one, weathered and DCC sound fitted. I can't wait to see the mucky-ish Dyson, a mainstay of Team Red's HS1 workings, parked awaiting maintenance slots at Johnson Street alongside the 90s and 66s.

I too have just ordered 92042… but for another purpose 😂

9 minutes ago, Johnson Street IEMD said:

tomorrow ? 😢

 

They're very much alive in my modelling world ... we're moving WHM cleaner, greener and quieter ... as opposed to dirtier and noisier - if Freightliner can manage to operate the same locos on the same lines without any of the problems DB have faced, surely, the answer is find out what they do to keep theirs purring ... surely, they wouldnt have to save face too much ...

I think it’s also linked to the traffic they could work self contained without a traction change but others better placed would know more. Their regular working - coming south as 4M25 - got merged with the other one - 4M30 - which was lengthened and moved to run overnight to allow them to haul it with a 66 without it getting in the way of passenger traffic. Sad times indeed. 

4 hours ago, Johnson Street IEMD said:

Probably only when being bussed back and forth by a 66, 67 or the only remaining DB90 in service, Backbone branded 90039 on the moves like the below:

 

 

Think the 90s are doomed alas Kat. Word is 39 is going out of service after its jaunt tomorrow. 
 

Might it be back to the future with 92s back on freight work? Time will tell. Apparently 92009 is next for resurrection. 

13 hours ago, Accurascale Fran said:

 

Hi Andi,

 

Thanks for the correction, I had forgotten that it's GBRf who are the ones who upgrade their lights. I don't think DB have done so to date.

 

Cheers!

 

Fran 

Me again Fran. 44 and 32 are GBRf machines, but it seems they only put the new lights on the Sleeper/Dellner fitted ones. 
 

A

11 hours ago, Accurascale Fran said:

 

Hi @Johnson Street IEMD,

 

As above, easier to respray a loco without them fitted. Something like 92010 or 92020 in our first run would be good candidates. Would have the prototypically correct upgraded LED lights too.

 

Cheers!

 

Fran 

Hi Fran,

I don’t think that 92044 or 92032 got the upgraded lights that the sleeper fleet got, although happy to be corrected. 
 

Cheers,

Andi. 

1 hour ago, Craig1989 said:

For those of you that have 37419 Carl haviland it now has new nameplates also not my photo 

 

cheers Craig 

And it’s had its bufferbeams repainted red too. 

38 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

T-Cut worked for me, but it was a test of saints, patience, two nights and a whisky.

its not easy to lift.

I think you were lucky 😂

2 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said:

 

T cut for me too. It left the area around the plate & number a little shiny, but otherwise comes off cleanly. Mask off the grilles though; If you get T cut in there, it leaves a white residue which is difficult to remove.

 

Different manufacturers use different finishes, but I used the above on 2 Intercity 87s.

I bought a Heljan Railfreight 86 with the intention on removing the name & changing the sector to RF General, but I can't get the sector off without damaging the colour underneath it. I was a bit puzzled because the nameplate came off nicely on my O gauge 50149.

I have had a nightmare with the latest Heljan 86s. Nothing shifts the decals so had to repaint the two tone grey 😂

I’m impatiently waiting for a “meh” reaction 😂

2 minutes ago, sulzer71 said:

Is that from A/S direct or a retailer?

My friend has also had a dispatch confirmation, for 027, direct from AS. 

32 minutes ago, aureol40012 said:

Is this seriously normal behaviour? To be beyond excited about getting something and then because of a slight delay be totally “meh” when it arrives? 

When ordered my Alfa from the factory in Italy it was delayed by months, a total of 3 times. Just made me want it more.

 

For the people who are like you describe, I presume they are from the instant gratification generation?

I’d challenge anyone who hasn’t already had one to be “meh” when it arrives 😂

On 06/05/2023 at 10:10, cairnsroadworks said:

92029 was having a refurb about 3 years ago then they gave up I think. I will believe the 92 refurb rumours when one is moving on the track!

I believe 😂

On 04/06/2023 at 12:53, adb968008 said:

https://railsofsheffield.com/products/accurascale-92023-class-92-023-ravel-sncf-grey-electric-locomotive
 

an easy target to renumber.

I used this for my 92044 renumber. 

15 hours ago, zoomer1979 said:

Giving this a bump as I have found some excellent recordings from the late Alan Vitty collection of audio tapes that have been cleaned up and published on YouTube by Tom. These make it very clear how different the 50s used to sound, particularly stationary and low speeds. I hope there is a separate unrefurbished sound chip being developed to reflect this.

Neil.

Thanks for this - I had this tape as a kid so will deffo look it up. 

10 hours ago, adb968008 said:

92009 is supposedly having a refurb, rather than a repair… 92109 maybe ?

 

92029 was having a refurb about 3 years ago then they gave up I think. I will believe the 92 refurb rumours when one is moving on the track!

11 minutes ago, njee20 said:

Yes I agree, it’s a part of the loco’s identity to me, and I think they work with all of the liveries. DB have always retained them, and with a couple having gone to Crewe for modifications perhaps we’ll see red 92s back on the WCML in revenue service again!

We can dream, but seeing DB services in the hands of anything other than 66/67 locos seems increasingly unlikely apart from through the tunnel and on HS1. 

39 minutes ago, norfolkchinaclay said:

Yeah but I’d still like to complete the set in ROG/Europhoenix livery first with 510 and 901 as Bachmann still haven’t done them despite doing 884 then 800.

I’d love someone to do 901 with the roof mods!

1 hour ago, Krieghoff said:

I genuinely think this would be a good selling locomotive. The colour scheme alone and the fact its a 37 as well 😁

Ironically given its imminent arrival in model form in Europhoenix livery, I believe 37608 is next for the ROG treatment. 

2 hours ago, E100 said:

Or and hear me out...  You love the polo mints and Crewe depot plates to the point of running 038 with the mk5's and live in vain hope that one day they add them back.

You’ve got me!

3 hours ago, toby_tl10 said:

A quick search on Flickr also gives you these - 3 states of 92038 (Flickr links, not my pics)

 

1 - With roundels, hauling Mk3's

2 - Without roundels, hauling Mk3's

3 - Without roundels, hauling Mk5's

 

Haven't seen 92038 (or indeed any 92) hauling Mk5's with roundels. However, I'm more than happy to be corrected and learn more on this issue if there is evidence.

 

And even Accurascale themselves are running 92038 with roundels with their Mk5's. So it's really not that big of a deal.

https://www.facebook.com/AccurascaleUK/posts/pfbid0uCtNvzzPwWXsZb95ppYGUBUAjw7VBzUV7wESeAxGBqX7nSrXkJKzqQuWjJMmPEqyl

Re the latter point, I’ve whined on FB about that too 🤣🤣🤣

You won’t see a 92 with roundels on mk5’s as it never happened. I think 38 was the only one that reappeared with them in Cale blue?

27 minutes ago, Peter749 said:

Too many variations with the CS 92s

 

You can have them without Crewe Depot Plates and without Dellners

 

Indeed. Although that period didn’t last long. 38 was the first to be fitted with Dellners and 23 was overhauled, as were most of the Cale ones, whilst they were still hauling the mk3’s, so didn’t get the Dellner till later. 

On 02/05/2023 at 16:04, cairnsroadworks said:

Does the model have the Crewe IEMD Eagles on as well? It wore both from respray in 2016 until June 2017 but of course didn’t have Dellners at that stage either. Oh my OCD when I see modellers running it with Mk5s 🤣🤣🤣

 

It returned to traffic without the rings or plaques, with Dellners fitted, in early 2018 I think, it was the first to be fitted, and was involved in the early testing of the stock. 

This was my post with the details.