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2 hours ago, brushman47544 said:

 

The whole photo has a blue tinge. I wouldn't rely on that for colour.

Indeed, but the roof is not black that’s for certain 😂

3 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Heres a good one showing the transition from NSE to Regional Railways in all 3 steps..
 

flickr url not mine.

 

Cracking that. 9458 defo looks like a blue tinge to the roof 😂

17 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

Does this help ?

 

Salford Crescent

 

i seem to recall the roofs being repainted on the RR stock.

 

lets not forget when they arrived, they were a hotpotch of ex-Scotrail and NSE stock before repaint.

Moses Gate, unmistakably 37430 Cwmbran

 

I seem to recall the NSE stock roof being a similar colour, and the NSE stock in general being in better nick.

 

Cheers. Certainly looks like stock roof grey. I used to froth over the stock back in the 90s and built up a lovely fleet of SE Flushglazed RR coaches but alas the passage of time has made me forget what colour the roofs were. I’m pretty sure they weren’t black on the RR ones, but I’d love to know definitively. 

3 hours ago, Flood said:

Thanks to @Bob Reid for pointing out my error. The coach above is a Mk2B with scallop roof vents, the second coach in 37046's rake, as you correctly stated, is a Mk2C.

 

The first and third coaches in the 37046 photo are Mk2B with their scallop vents. The fourth coach seems to have a fairly long brake section with low, flat Roevac vents so may well be Mk2C BSO 9458, The fifth coach looks to be another Mk2C with either G or GM vents and the last coach is not possible to identify. See also the allocations listed below.

 

Another clue is the number of vents. Mk2B TSO coaches had 8 vents on the roof (4 normally visible per side), Mk2C TSO coaches had only 6 vents on the roof (3 visible per side).

 

The 1993 Platform 5 Combined, dated January 1993, states the following:

27 Mk2A TSO coaches in Regional Railways livery based between Liverpool Edge Hill and Derby Etches Park.

Mk2B TSO 5453, 5463, 5491 in Regional Railways livery (they wouldn't have distinguised the debranded Trans-Pennine)

Mk2C TSO 5505, 5554, 5614 in Regional Railways livery. G vents for 5505, GM vents for 5554 and Roevac vents (and smaller toilet windows) for 5614.

Mk2C BSO 9458 in Regional Railways livery. Roevac vents (and smaller toilet windows).

Mk2C BFK 17118 in Regional Railways livery. GM vents.

Mk2A BSK 35500, 35510 in Regional Railways livery.

Mk2C BSK 35506, 35507, 35508, 35509 and 35511 in Regional Railways livery. 35506, 35507 and 35508 GM vents. 35509 and 35511 Roevac vents (and smaller toilet windows).

Wow thanks so much again. I really appreciate your help. The list is especially helpful. I haven’t found a single picture of a regional railways mk2B or 2C close up anywhere. I want to check the roof colour as I’m pretty sure the mk2A’s were all “stock roof grey”

even in RR. 

55 minutes ago, brushman47544 said:

 

To me the light grey could just be dirtier on the first coach, there's so little difference. The other colours look the same.

The lack of branding and orange stripe gives it away as an unbranded TP one. As does this picture… but thanks anyways. It’s more the running numbers I’m after. The 2nd coach appears to be a 2C looking at the roof vents. 

3 minutes ago, 97406 said:

 

Then this one came to me. I actually like this one slightly less than the Loram livery as I can’t make it look better by covering one end of the loco. An important lesson in how not to do Large Logo and a shame as the loco retained its bufferbeam skirts at that time. 🤪

 

 

If rumours are true, another one off in 37501 is about to ride again. Does that count as garish 😂

people might be interested in the above rake. I’m doing a model of 37046 and found this pic. It’s the only time I’ve seen a mixed transpennine/regional railways mk2B/C rake, rather than the mk2B/C being added into a mainly mk2A rake. Does anyone on here knows anything about it, has the numbers etc please? I’m pretty certain the first coach is 5453 in debranded transpennine with the executive light grey bottom half but the others look to be regional railways. 

On 11/04/2024 at 17:38, Flood said:

So last Friday I decided that I was going to have another set of NSE coaches but this time it would be a full 9 coach Waterloo - Exeter set. Having looked through one of my friend's old spotting books I decided on a rake and then noted which build batch the TSOT came from.

 

For those slightly interested 118 Mk2C TSOs were built, of which the first 64 (5498 to 5561) had the style of toilet windows used in the Mk2, Mk2A and Mk2B builds. The remainder had toilet windows shorter in height so a vent could be placed above on one side, this is the style that Accurascale will be modelling.

 

The TSOT in the rake was 6503, which was originally 5510 so came from the first batch. Time, therefore, to start chomping away at an Accurascale Mk2B TSO to make an early style Mk2C TSOT.

 

First of all the roof vents were removed and 5 thou sheet used to make the access hatch on the roof. The breather pipe at that end was also moved about 2mm to fit in the new hatch. There is also an additional circular plate at that end, which is just off the centre line (see later post on next page).

 

The earliest Mk2C TSOs had two different style of roof vents before Roevac vents were finally decided upon, which were subsequently used on the air-conditioned Mk2 stock and the loco hauled Mk3 stock. The first vent style used is described in British Rail Mark 2 Coaches as a 'G' vent, the next vent tried being a 'GM' vent. I assume these were G modified as they were very similar to a 'G' vent but shorter in height. Now a GM vent is near enough the same as an English Electric loco cab roof vent so I made up six of these (from Shawplan) and then added 20 thou to increase the height, in order to simulate G vents. Most sane people probably wouldn't even care.

 

These were then added to the roof and left to dry.

 

I then turned to the interior and cut out one bay of seats and added a counter.

 

The roof was then primered, Archer's rivets were added to the edges of the roof hatch and then primered again. The small handles on the hatch were easier than expected (when a brand new drill bit is used).

 

The screen between the counter area and the seating was made and painted and the rest of the interior also painted.  I could have smoothed things up a bit but more on that later.

 

So all the basic work had been done. A blast with Halfords matt black sorted the roof, a blanking screen for the window behind the counter and a strip stating Buffet for the window opposite, followed by a red stripe and a quick renumber and we have the below:

 

 

 

 

As for tidying up the interior wall before painting, you can't even see the counter let alone what the wall looks like!

 

All in all it took just under a week and I'm very happy with the result. Oh, and I've just straightened that footstep shown in the last photo.

 

Now, should it really be in this thread or the Mk2C one?

Very late to this but thank you, as this has explained my confusion around the toilet windows on 5505 at least as I’m trying to model a club train rake with the regional railways mark 2B and 2C’s dotted in, but struggling to find decent reference pics. Well any reference pics that I can read the numbers from!

1 hour ago, 97406 said:

 

Just need the Sybic one now. I think I’ll also renumber and tweak the livery on my RFD one (to 90022 I think) and get it the plates to make the set of 4 to fit in with the end of my modelling period. 

Sybic one you say? It appears I didn’t take a picture after it got the etched bits 😂

3 minutes ago, Melton Works said:

How about one of these?......

Nice. Really suits it. I’m trying to decide whether to reinstate the bodyside window and relocated the orange stripe or not 😂😂😂

Firstly well done on supporting such a great cause, but it looks like you’ve repeated the Hattons error with 66623 in using the lighter shade of orange as only featured on 66413 in real life. 
 

I’m hoping it’s just a trick of the light in the pics. It should be broadly the same as 37405. 

If the Bachmann 90s are whizzing around making tracks today they are the correct shade. 
 

Fingers crossed it’s just me 😂

16 hours ago, LMSfan72 said:

Just to provide variety with all these as built models appearing, and as I wait for HNRC 37405, here are my 2 Accurascale 37607. Obviously one has had a little bit of work 🤫

 

Tasty!

15 hours ago, 55020 said:

 

Ahh, the font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia.  It it great until it isn't!  In this case it isn't too helpful, as the 37/0s were numbered 37001 to 37308.  Your model of 37305 is a 37/0.  The rebogied 37/3s started at 37310.

 

You are correct in stating that the 37300-308 locos were very much South Wales machines in the 70s.

 

 

Steve

And then most of them became frothy 37/4s in Scotland, 37305 becoming 37407. 

1 hour ago, GBRf 66 The Flying Dustman said:

If you go onto rainbow railways website Colin actually does the proper harry needle orange 

Strathclyde PTE / Loadhaul orange is the same shade I believe. 

On 25/09/2023 at 22:34, PM47079 said:

I remember seeing 86432 about this time also in BR blue. I don't think that many 86/4s were BR blue

Just those 2 I think!

Looking great. Re the marker dots, I use black permanent markers, with no lenses in place and run the pen round the inside. Usually does a neat job. Any residue can be scraped off with a cocktail stick. 

1 hour ago, Porcy Mane said:

 

 And you never even mentioned 37047 & 37053 after they'd had their noses picked.

 

Shame on you.  :-)

You forgot 37031 as well… sure there are others that I’ve forgot too 😂

2 hours ago, LMSfan72 said:

Well I did find the nose aerial and fuel tank fitting to print as well as the ETH connector!

 

The finished conversion, although I still might paint the head code panel black as I think that’s what the prototype wears today:

 

Looking good. Are you going to attempt the reinforced windows?

On 24/08/2023 at 16:40, LMSfan72 said:

noses prepared

 

 

next photo will be the finished one (I hope!!)

Looking good. At least you’ve no excuse to do 3D printed noses for the new model now 😜😜😜

1 hour ago, Daddyman said:

Agreed - but just not etched in 5 thou with half-etched folds! The person I'm thinking of could also do an etch, and he's reliable too: 6-8 weeks last time I used him. Now, does anyone have dimensions? 

Are you referring to the PHD ones?

2 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Back in the day ?

Thats only 30 years ago.

 

Funny thing is in 1993 folk around me were saying the same thing about BR Steam, and thats was 30 years ago then.

 

 

 

Mad isn’t it. Almost 20 years since the EWS 37/4s finished on the sleeper, to keep it vaguely on topic 😂

1 hour ago, rob D2 said:

very nice EWS loco .

Im hoping eventually either bachy or accura do some on the original EWS red before they kinda faded to maroon 

What do you mean by the original EWS red? The colour didn’t change, it always looked very different on film back in the day. I remember seeing 419 for the first time and was surprised how dark it was 😂

13 hours ago, Andy7 said:

It does look good but it’s a shame the windscreen wasn’t fitted/refitted properly.

Can confirm they’re in properly. Just a trick of the light I guess. 

21 hours ago, meanach said:

It looks great . I’m intrigued by the nose , was it a complete swap or a lot of chopping filing and filling going on ? 

Lots of chopping and filling 😂