RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted September 22, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2017 Hi all, In the interest of making it easier to follow a specific project and provide feedback, I've separated the threads for each of our O Gauge projects. If you're looking for the LNER Class A3 4-6-2 click HERE. If you're looking for the LNER Class A4 4-6-2 click HERE. And to kick things off in style for the Teaks, we've got the First EPs to show off, with all three diagrams available to view Diagram 115 - Corridor Third Diagram 175 - Brake Corridor Composite Diagram 186 - Open Third As always, we'd love to hear your feedback and any questions you may have at this stage. All versions of the Teaks are still available to pre-order for £249 each at THIS page on our website. Cheers, Dave 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 They look really good, the only thing I would ask is to check the wheel flanges, I along with many others use 31.5mm turn outs and I've noticed on the Heljan GUV & MK1's that they are tight going through these points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonmarshall Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 They look really good! Cannot wait to see how you are painting the teak effect on. Also are there any plans for restaurant cars? A dining triplet and a full brake for a Flying Scotsman rake would be rather compelling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) You appear to be missing the cornice plates over the doors and the door vents should be tapered not flat as shown. Oddly the door handles should not be horizontal but at a slight angle. Edited September 22, 2017 by MikeTrice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 You are a very naughty man. My first thoughts are to sell up everything and buy an A4 and a dozen of those and build a line round the garden, Bernard 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted September 27, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 27, 2017 Running video on Hattons Facebook page for the teaks this morning. No pointwork shown but looks like there no room for them on the test table lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted September 28, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 28, 2017 Also on YouTube: Steven B. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR Dave Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Looking good chaps ! A small point. The door hinges on the tumblehome need to stick out much further, to be in line with the upper two on the vertical part of the side. Can't wait to see these in teak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beclawat Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Looking good. If you were to produce a full brake I'd bite your hands off. Especially in BR blue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted November 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2017 Appreciate this is a slight thread hi-jack, but a question about these Teaks to our more knowledgable people! How long would the 'teak' version have lasted? Presumably only early 1950s if that long? By the mid-1960s i'm also presuming there would have been few total rakes left, more one or two vehicles within a train of Mk1s? Either way, what kind of services would they have been used on? Cheers Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted November 22, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2017 Appreciate this is a slight thread hi-jack, but a question about these Teaks to our more knowledgable people! How long would the 'teak' version have lasted? Presumably only early 1950s if that long? By the mid-1960s i'm also presuming there would have been few total rakes left, more one or two vehicles within a train of Mk1s? Either way, what kind of services would they have been used on? Cheers Rich By the mid-60s, there would have been very few left other than full brakes and buffets. I do recall travelling in one that was part of a Liverpool St - Parkestone Quay boat train in 1964. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pint of Adnams Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Appreciate this is a slight thread hi-jack, but a question about these Teaks to our more knowledgable people! How long would the 'teak' version have lasted? Presumably only early 1950s if that long? By the mid-1960s i'm also presuming there would have been few total rakes left, more one or two vehicles within a train of Mk1s? Either way, what kind of services would they have been used on? Cheers Rich Too large a topic to be properly addressed here but Joseph Pestell is correct in that the Buffets and Full Brakes lasted longest and both types were not restricted to former LNER routes. As the Hattons models are of the later builds of Gresley teak carriages, with the TTO for example produced in substantial numbers, they lasted through the 1950s and many into the 1960s and wore the maroon livery. I remember them in use on the Liverpool Street-Norwich main line services in the mid-1960s, usually providing the 2nd class accommodation, and more so on secondary routes on services that had not yet been replaced by DMUs. Often called upon as strengtheners to a roster of otherwise BR standard stock and especially in demand for LCGB, RCTS and similar excursions. A quick way to assess their spread and longevity is to browse the various albums of lines in your locality of interest - that way you can get an appreciation of types, liveries and uses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamysandy Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 In 1962 I travelled on the Scottish Region TV train.It was apart from a BG used as a support coach entirely made up of Gresley Saloons except for the Buffet car which was a flush sided one built for pre war excursion sets The train can be seen on Cinerails Railways of Scotland dvd Volume1 near the end on an excursion to Anstruther 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubes Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I think the query was how long they lasted in teak finish as opposed to being painted. If so I imagine most if not all such carriages would have been painted maroon by 1960 with full brakes and some catering cars getting blue and blue grey livery in the late 60s and early 70s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headstock Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Hi all, In the interest of making it easier to follow a specific project and provide feedback, I've separated the threads for each of our O Gauge projects. If you're looking for the LNER Class A3 4-6-2 click HERE. If you're looking for the LNER Class A4 4-6-2 click HERE. And to kick things off in style for the Teaks, we've got the First EPs to show off, with all three diagrams available to view Diagram 115 - Corridor Third TC115_EP1.jpg TC115_EP2.jpg Diagram 175 - Brake Corridor Composite TC175_EP1.jpg TC175_EP2.jpg Diagram 186 - Open Third TC186_EP1.jpg TC186_EP2.jpg As always, we'd love to hear your feedback and any questions you may have at this stage. All versions of the Teaks are still available to pre-order for £249 each at THIS page on our website. Cheers, Dave Good afternoon Dave, The sides look a little flat to me. I think that that is for a number of reasons, the shape of the ventilators and the door hinges has been mentioned. I would add that the window surrounds are missing, this is important because it sets the glazing further back into the aperture, It would also make your job easier as regards glazing. I would also add that the drop lights should be set much further back in the side revealing the true thickness of the doors. At present they are on the same elevation as the upper panels. I would also question why the vertical beading is wider than the horizontal, has it been spaced out to accommodate the missing window surrounds? I hope this is seen as helpful rather than a moan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen 28 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Having had a good look at the Gresleys at Glasgow show,overall I am very impressed - they look the part. There is one aspect that does however strike me as wrong, the drop lights are far too shallow, appearing almost square whereas on the real coaches they are much deeper vertically, almost as deep as the main pane in the toilet window. Anyone have any views on this? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Having had a good look at the Gresleys at Glasgow show,overall I am very impressed - they look the part. There is one aspect that does however strike me as wrong, the drop lights are far too shallow, appearing almost square whereas on the real coaches they are much deeper vertically, almost as deep as the main pane in the toilet window. Anyone have any views on this? You are quite right, there is something amiss in the general area of the droplights. The horizontal cross rail beneath the vent bonnet is too thick/deep. Hatton's would do well to study photo's, or better still measure the real thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted February 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2019 Interesting conversation with Hattons this morning - no plans to drop the price from £249 to something below the £200 mark due to the number of individual parts involved and the quantity being produced, which is understandable. But with other RTR coaches now around the £169, and Dapol having DCC lighting in their £199 version, I would have thought people, including me, would have expected more? Also interesting that Hattons say there are no plans to include pre-fitted lighting as customer feedback indicates no demand for it - so are Dapol and Darstaed really providing an extra detail that nobody wants? Rich 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pint of Adnams Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 On 01/03/2018 at 14:14, Stephen 28 said: Having had a good look at the Gresleys at Glasgow show,overall I am very impressed - they look the part. There is one aspect that does however strike me as wrong, the drop lights are far too shallow, appearing almost square whereas on the real coaches they are much deeper vertically, almost as deep as the main pane in the toilet window. Anyone have any views on this? I'd agree with you on these points. Also, there seem to be too many rivets on the solebar, especially above the bogies, for what is a welded underframe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adrian Stevenson Posted June 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 16, 2019 One of the new Teaks on display yesterday at GCR. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 16, 2019 Where’s the wood grain lol. Looking good so far. I’ll be interested how the teak finish compares to Hornbys original super detailed release. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pint of Adnams Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 And the door vent and droplight are unchanged too... the former is too deep and the latter too shallow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted June 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Pint of Adnams said: And the door vent and droplight are unchanged too... the former is too deep and the latter too shallow Certainly looks that way. Perhaps they were not all the same??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 They were all the same, as far as manually manufactured components can be. They were made on the same jigs. The rainstrips above the doors have also been omitted. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Remember the livery samples may not be produced using the latest engineering samples. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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