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Hi all

I think it's high time to reveal to the public some of my work. I have (far too) many projects ongoing, and I hope this thread will encourage me to get them finished - some have been going for years! Inspired by the likes of Sean (Penguin of doom) here we go -but be warned updating certainly won't be as prolific as the wonder penguin.

 

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Class 13 build from RT models kit and Bachmann 08s. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1338696. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1719068 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1719617

class 24/1 and 25/0 from Hornby and Bachmann Hybrids http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=784521. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=803604. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1634345

Class 31 fleet : modified Lima

Class 35 Hymeks http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=792525

Class 37 fleet : modified Lima and Vitrains http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1697064

Class 40 fleet : Lima rebuilds on Bachmann/Hornby railroad chassis. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=835020. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=883183. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1369285. Fitting Shawplan windscreen etches to Lima 40 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1654808 40 116 project http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1700405 Bachmann class 40 modifications http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1329391 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1685270 Bachmann mark 2 chassis degunk http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1718985

Class 44 44009 Snowdon project http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1796528

Class 45http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=792503.http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=797915

Class 46 peaks from Bachmann models . Nose seam reinstatement http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1749288

Class 47 from Lima and Heljan rebuilds http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1484696. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1565306

Class 52 modifications of Heljan model http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=826295 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=992543 D1065 Western Consort in 1976 condition http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1189078. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1228732

D1065 Valance addition and modifications to Dapol chassis. The first Heljan/Dapol hybrid?

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1944951

Class 56 modifications from mainline/Dapol on Hornby chassis http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1484696

Class 252 prototype HST

Class 253 Lima on Hornby chassis

 

S&DJR large boilered 7F

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1904230

Crosti 9F Golden arrow resin body on Hornby chassis http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=791088

Crosti 9F Craftsman conversion of Hornby evening star

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61530-downendian-details/?p=1842990

 

 

I really liked the 24s - and prior to the Bachmann model appearing had some attempts at dealing with Hornby bodyshells. However, we still lack a RTR 24/1, and despite the arrival of the Brassmasters resin bits for one I decided to butcher one of my spare Hornby bodyshells. I'd picked these up for the princely sum of 75p each back in the 1980s. I like the Hornby shape better than Bachmann - they seem to have rendered the cabs well, but naturally I wanted to have the performance of the Bachmann chassis so a forced marriage was required.

Detailing so far

(1) Chopped off winged horn mounts and filled.

(2) Fitted craftsman flush cab doors and vents

(3) adjusted height of window - 24s and 25/0s have noticeably higher windows than their 25/1 and 25/2 sisters. this was fiddly but I'm getting there

(4) added Bachmann bufferbeams to underside of cabs and filled recess

(5) Truncated Bachmann chassis by cutting off bufferbeam area - the chassis is approx 1-2mm longer than the Hornby bodyshell.

(6) Cut out boiler filler recesses and scavenger fan.

 

Still to be fitted are the handrails and lamps.

 

She will be finished in my favourite diesel livery for the class green full yellow end, and will be a LMR machine, 24 136.

What the photography has revealed is where attention is still required.

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Project number 2 : Crosti 9F

Well strictly with all the Crosti stuff removed and allegedly an 8F.

My spotting memories were completely dieselised- I cannot remember steam in service although I have been told I saw them as a very young child. My steam locos are intended to be machines that frequented the old MR route out of Bristol and towards Bath.

I will operate my layout with two themes - 1970s WR based and late 1950s WR based (Midland and S&DJR bias). My steam roster is quite small comparatively but I'm particularly fond of big freight 2-8-0s and 2-10-0s. I have just acquired a railroad Evening star which served as the donor for a Golden arrow Crosti resin kit. I put this together in around a fortnight during this summers leave, a credit to the quality of the kit which required just a small amount of adjustment to fit the railroad chassis.

Some advice though- I don't know how much of the chimney to ream out - clearly some is needed- but would it go all the way through the boiler or were there baffles (?) etc as per the Bachmann 9F model- sorry my knowledge of steam locos is somewhat under development. Help gratefully received.

 

The mouldings are crisp, and following a minimum of filing and sanding to remove flash I was able to fit handrails and reverser rod (from 30A cooker cable!). Fitting the handrails was a challenge and reinforced how my eyesight has deteriorated in the last few years. Soon to be removed is that awful front coupling and fit some other pipework on the other side of the loco. The buffers are Alan Gibson LMS/BR standards.

 

She will eventually become 92026, which was a known visitor in the Bristol area, of which I have just obtained a copyright slide of on ebay. Transfers and paint has been purchased and will be the first serious project to go under my new Iwata Neo airbrush. I particularly like the fox smokebox preformed number sets- there would be no way I could get those straight.

 

The locos sit on the trackbed of my developing steam MPD - I will start a thread on my layout hopefully soon when its semi presentable to the public domain.

 

Neil

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Renumbering

A rather mundane chore to be said but an essential one. I eventually want all my fleet to be individualised to locos I can remember seeing (or not in many cases!) around Bristol in the 1970s. The first I have photographed this morning are 3 of my split box peaks, straight out of the box Bachmann models (formerly 45 053 and 45 120). I want to represent most of my peaks as named engines, it gives them a bit more character. These three are 100 Sherwood Forester, 45 004 Royal Irish Fusilier and 45 006 Honourable Artillery company. They will eventually be in 1974 guise where a large number of 45s still had pre-TOPS numbers and less than half the class were TOPS. 100 is more or less complete, just awaiting satin varnishing having had her headcodes fitted but 45 004/006 are still to be backdated and have their decoders installed. I'm still to check if any of these had the small radiator panel plated over- and will be so treated if this is the case with prepainted plasticard. Still in the Dunstone workshop is 99 3rd Carabinier- it has got its nameplates fitted but awaiting its numbering.

 

My default renumbering process is rubbing the factory fitted decals with a blunt cocktail stick after applying a small amount of T-cut to the area. With gentle rubbing eventually the decal will vanish, but does remove some blue paint in the process- don't be alarmed this is quite normal. After cleaning with water, the area is dried and then waterslide transfers applied - again a cocktail stick is used to good effect to position the decal. The numberplates are Shawplan, some being in three parts (more fiddly but look better). Everything should be sealed under satin varnish and then to weathering.

 

The peaks are rather unprototypically sat around my developing diesel refueller site awaiting their next duty. I have a significant peak roster, but quite justifiable based on the number of machines passing through North Bristol in the 1970s.

 

Neil

 

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Hymeks and renumbering.

 

A difficult one this - I've only done four of my fleet so far - I won't tell you how many Heljan Hymeks I have though! Some I picked up through ebay for as little as £33. I have designs on detailing my only surviving engine from my 1960s/1970s model railway my trusty Hornby D7063.

 

Lovely little engines of which I have fond memories - Bristol was swarming with them in the early 1970s, but alas my enduring memory is of the last year in service 1974. I want to represent all these machines plus a few special "characters" which unfortunately I'd only seen in scrapyard condition.

 

This triplet are D7000, D7093 and D7054. 7054 was a celebrity as she just refused to die was reinstated in her GSYP livery as late as 1972, and ended up in a forlorn state dumped at Bristol St Phillips Marsh and then to Swindon. I saw her in both these locations. D7000 the Doyenne has had her headboard clips removed and all are awaiting scavenger fans and the small handles at the bottom of the doors used to close them by drivers at rail level. Also some had the D painted over post demise of steam in 1968. D7093 was a frequently sighted machine right up to her end in late 1974, and even earned a spruce up for the Swindon works open day in September 1974.

 

These cruel close ups show how difficult it is to get perfect alignment (although I'm fairly happy all be said). My procedure is to put the loco in a lipped tray on tissue paper and fit the alloy numbers one side at a time. The numbers (Shawplan) are removed very carefully from the fret using sharp scissors taking great care to remove all the "pip". Sevens are very difficult numbers to deal with for some reason! I remove the final two digits of the factory fitted number using the T-cut method, and then use the D70 to serve as a guide to fit the new numbers. I prefer using epoxy adhesive to fit as this gives ample time to move the number or D into position. Leave to set overnight and then do the other side the following day. It is fiddly and due to my eyesight I do the whole process under a magnifying glass and desk lamp.

 

The Locos are stabled adjacent to my developing station site- 08 402 is on station pilot duties in the background shunting ex-SR parcels vehicles. This Hornby loco didn't need renumbering she was a Bath Road allocated shunter in my time frame.

 

Neil

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Ok back to peaks.

Before Bachmann introduced their new tooling for the split-box peak I'd decided that I just had to have one. Before I could complete my model guess what, 45 053 appeared on the scene. My split box model had started life as 46 053 and I'd followed George Dent's article in Model Rail 100 describing how to produce a splitter. So I'd reinstated the bonnet seam line, located hand rail grabs and installed suitably downsized Craftsman class 37/40 whitemetal split boxes after filling the existing centre headcode in. Unfortunately the boxes are still a tad too deep, and I am now wondering what to do with this model.

 

A couple of peaks had a split box at one end, and due to accident damage a central headcode the other in the mid-1970s. I will have a go at one of these- I've mentioned which locos in another thread but can't find it at the moment.

 

The model still has evidence of its class 46 heritage, which will be erased eventually - it has class 46 battery box covers and the triangular bodyside grille.

 

Work in progress sits outside the confined developing diesel depot which has had a concrete apron and inspection pits installed.

 

Neil

 

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Hi Neil

 

Have you considered grafting your Hornby cabs to the Bachmann class 24 middles? Class 24 24/1 and 25/0 had raised grills while the Hornby body doesnt. Ironically Bachmann used the same tooling for their class 25 sides making theirs wrong.

 

HTH

 

Jim

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Hi Jim

Yes I know this should be done - there should be raised bodyside vents on all the 24s. I'm doing a couple more 24/1s and a 25/0 using Brassmasters bits and using Bachy 24s as donors, and despite the cab shape they don't look too bad. I intend doing your solebar removal work on my 25/2 fleet as well so the type 2 fleet is in all quite bit of work. I'll add the 25/0 conversion next I think as a side by side comparison.

Neil

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Hi John

Many thanks, yes it was fiddly but worth the time. I've still got a lot to do though. What I would say though is I would only consider using epoxy adhesives, and as slow setting as possible. Cyano sets too fast and would leave a residue if you used the slightest amount too much. I needed the time to poke and prod the numbers into place.

The other numbered Hymek I have is BSYP D7052, awaiting some severe weathering, I would also add to do them in batches to relieve the boredom factor, I did these 2x2.

 

Neil

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Further to the Hornby 24/1 conversion project, I have at least three more in the workshops. one I purchased from ebay had already the Brassmasters 24/1 "Mohican" headcode boxes fitted, although in need of a bit of cosmetic attention (weathering) was a pretty reasonable job.

The other machine I have in the workshop is a complete build by me - using again Brassmasters resin headcode boxes. I did a very careful slow cut using my biggest razor saw making sure that there was some excess plastic to adjust the final box position. Then with some filing and sanding very carefully almost a perfect fit was obtained. Some lights will need filling, and of course removal of the gangway doors but early Bachmann 24 models are quite easy to come by on ebay.

 

This one is to become a 25/0 which will need attention to the water tanks- I have yet to buy the Brassmasters bits for the chassis but will do so shortly. It will be 25 001 which was at the time I first saw her a Tinsley based machine that had wandered onto the WR at the wonderful Severn Tunnel Junction. I don't have the space for anything approaching a marshalling yard but I do have a "tunnel" leading to my helix and eventually my storage roads underneath the main layout so this provides similar operational conditions. My type 2 fleet will assist in "banking duties" up the helix more of which in due course.

 

Neil

 

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Hi Jim

Yes I know this should be done - there should be raised bodyside vents on all the 24s. I'm doing a couple more 24/1s and a 25/0 using Brassmasters bits and using Bachy 24s as donors, and despite the cab shape they don't look too bad. I intend doing your solebar removal work on my 25/2 fleet as well so the type 2 fleet is in all quite bit of work. I'll add the 25/0 conversion next I think as a side by side comparison.

Neil

 

Hi Neil,

 

Great work, I have followed Jim's method for the solebar removal and was generally straight forward. Having done a 24,a 25/1 and a 25/2, the 24 being the easier out of the 3 due to not needing to mess around with the bufferebeams and area forward of the cab steps, some photos are on my layout thread.

 

Thanks

 

Rob

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Thanks for the kind comments Jack. I don't feel that my modelling skills are "Professional" but I certainly take time and care, and thoroughly research the prototype.i particularly like the quirky details that identifies a particular loco or subclass, maybe borderline OCD but much stems from memories of the originals. I stand in awe of some of the modelling I've seen on here, and can fully appreciate the skills required for brass kit or scratch built steam engines which have been painted and lined beautifully.

 

What I do need to do is finish just as many projects as I start, something I've completely failed on to date!

 

Neil

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Project number 2 : Crosti 9F

 

Some advice though- I don't know how much of the chimney to ream out - clearly some is needed- but would it go all the way through the boiler or were there baffles (?) etc as per the Bachmann 9F model- sorry my knowledge of steam locos is somewhat under development. Help gratefully received.

 

 

Hi Neil,

 

The chimney on a steam locomotive goes into the hollow drum that is the smokebox. Inside there are a few variations on what goes on but the essential idea is that there is an 'exhaust pipe' from the cylinders where the used steam escapes through an orifice called the blast pipe which directs the exhaust steam up through the chimney and out. This gives two main benifits:

 

1) this causes a partial vacuum In the smokebox. This draws the hot gasses from the fire through the boiler tubes and more air in through the grate in the firebox. This cause the fire to burn hotter and the water to boil quicker. The clever bit being that the harder the loco works, the more of this effect there is.

 

2) it makes that lovely chuff chuff noise we all love...

 

There is a link to a page that shows the theory is here:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blastpipe

 

There is a LOT more to it than that but it gives you a starting point for your model.

 

I hope this helps!

 

All the best,

 

Castle

 

 

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The other machine I have in the workshop is a complete build by me - using again Brassmasters resin headcode boxes. I did a very careful slow cut using my biggest razor saw making sure that there was some excess plastic to adjust the final box position. Then with some filing and sanding very carefully almost a perfect fit was obtained. Some lights will need filling, and of course removal of the gangway doors but early Bachmann 24 models are quite easy to come by on ebay.

 

This one is to become a 25/0 which will need attention to the water tanks- I have yet to buy the Brassmasters bits for the chassis but will do so shortly. It will be 25 001 which was at the time I first saw her a Tinsley based machine that had wandered onto the WR at the wonderful Severn Tunnel Junction.

 

Here's one I did not too long ago. I opted not to use the Brassmasters headcode box, perhaps in retrospect that would have made things easier. I haven't yet attacked the area between the bogies because I'm unsure whether I want to leave this as a 25/0 or instead add headlights and snowploughs to the front, change the grille blanking plates and create a 24/1.

 

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Superb Adrian. You've applied the numbers Glasgow style when she was allocated North of the border. Mine will be in Derby style when she was allocated to Tinsley and I saw her in January 1975 at Severn Tunnel junction. Brassmasters do the necessary tanks, but I may do a home butcher job.

 

Neil

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Heljan Western Mods

with the imminent release of the 4mm Dapol model, the value of the Heljan model seems to have diminished (at least in my eyes).

I have quite a large Heljan fleet, and it has been decision time either to put them all on ebay to generate some funds for a fleet of Dapol engines, or to keep them

I declined to put them on ebay, perhaps foolishly, but have decided to use one of my several models of D1013 as a guinea pig. I picked them up for as little as £52 a few years back. I have just two Dapol Westerns on preorder- and will use these beauties as templates for the Heljan mods.

 

So today I plucked up courage and filed away the prominent (and incorrect) "peaked cap look" to the cab roof profile. On the Kier Hardy site it has stated that the horn cowls were removed by razor saw- I couldn't see how this could be done without major disruption to them so left as is. The profile still isn't 100% accurate, but is a hell of a lot better - this is compounded by the fact that the windscreen dimensions are wrong in the first place- the central pillar should be slightly higher. All detract from the "face' of the model. However, I'm pretty happy after 45 minutes or so attention with the finest wet and dry paper I have. So I will generate a production line of these to do.

 

I've carved off the headboard clips as this one will become D1026 Western Centurion that was built at Swindon without them. She will be in her final Laira repaint guise when I get to the end of this project, complete with silver cab footrests. Next job is to get rid of the roof scavenger fans with Shawplan bits on order.

 

Neil

 

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Original cab roof 1

 

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Altered roof profile

 

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original cab roof profile - side view

 

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Altered cab roof profile - side view

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Class 40s

I think a few know of my fondness for the oil swillers, but English Electric is a close second, and especially the 40s.

Sure they were underpowered, but when introduced in the late 1950s they were among the most powerful locos in Europe. For someone growing up on the WR the sight of these beasts was exotic "Northernness" we hardly ever saw them on the WR, save for the occasional one that ventured down the Hereford line to Severn Tunnel Junction where they were relatively frequent (that's my excuse for my fleet of them anyway).

 

Much has been written about the shortcomings of the Bachmann 40 which i hope will be addressed in the forthcoming retooling.

In the meantime I have amassed a number of projects on the backburner which include Bachmann chassis units and Shawplan detailed Lima bodies. I'm a fan of the Lima bodyshell- although being a shade too tall, and having a vertical nose (the prototype is slightly angled) its still the best RTR can offer. Lima 40s were dirt cheap a few years ago, but they aren't now- I was picking them up for £5-7 about the time the Bachmann model was released, OK the power units were shot but I wasn't really interested in that half of the model. These bodies go over a suitably fettled Bachmann chassis- the leading edge is filed gently until a perfect fit is obtained. The ride height obtained is extremely good (another defect of the Bachmann) 40). In fact its a bit too good- the slight lip to the nose fouls the chassis on bends (caused by welding up the doors when this ScR centre headcode panel version was produced (D260-D266), adjustment will be necessary.

 

The Lima models were let down by the headcodes (too small) so I've opened this one up to fit new ones, and the fact that they all have mouldings for the Stone-Vapour boiler hatches- D260-D266 had Clayton ones (Shawplan do an etch, to be fitted here), as did D287-D304 and D325-D399. Usefully the Bachmann bodies all have the correct boiler hatch tooling and can be used as templates for fitting the Shawplan etches. These Scottish beasts also lost their MU cables at some point in their lives so I'll be whipping these off.

 

This one will become 40 066 - my first 40 haulage from Carstairs to Waverley on 8th November 1975 - we window hung the whole way. I've amassed a number of these Lima Scottish variants (with square edges to the headcode box, and the "lip' mentioned previously) because they were cheap! I'm hoping that with the new retooled Bachmann 40s coming, ebay will be awash with old Bachmann chassis or 40s which I can complete my BachLima hybrid fleet.

 

I bought 2 Limby 40s for repowering projects - the least said of that the better- they are gutless and fail to haul the light headed loco up my helix, where my Heljan and Bachmann diesels fly up with 20-30 wagon trains.

 

Another one on the to do list -will show you a completed model one day!

 

 

 

 

Neil

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Good stuff

 

Its become common (especially among the newer members of the hobby) to bash lima, sometimes undeservedly so. Yes the pancakes are not as good as central cans but they are not as hopeless as some would have you believe either. Some bodies still stand proud compared to more recent efforts, the class 31 springs to mind but I am also becoming more and more convinced that their 47 has something about it that the later models have missed. There were some talented toolmakers at lima, some with a high attention to detail (within the confines of what they were allowed). Just because they are old doesnt mean they are rubbish

 

Cheers

 

Jim

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For someone growing up on the WR the sight of these beasts was exotic "Northernness" we hardly ever saw them on the WR, save for the occasional one that ventured down the Hereford line to Severn Tunnel Junction where they were relatively frequent (that's my excuse for my fleet of them anyway).

 

 

 

 

 

Neil

 

Class 40's had a diagrammed working to Exeter (Riverside) at the end of their days, on tar tanks. STJ Crews I think. Only seen one photo double headed with a class 25 leaving the yard at Cowley Bridge Junction end.

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Class 40s.... I'm a fan of the Lima bodyshell- although being a shade too tall, and having a vertical nose (the prototype is slightly angled) its still the best RTR can offer. ....

 

Ah, you must have read the Rail Express modelling feature on the Class 40s from a few years ago. Some quite eye-opening things in there.

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