Osgood Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) I'm really struggling to find anything aesthetically pleasing about their appearance, and never seen anything quite like them before: Edited June 27, 2017 by Osgood 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith George Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 I'm really struggling to find anything aesthetically pleasing about their appearance, and never seen anything quite like them before: Buffers1.jpg I have always liked a pair of big buffers. Never forget a buffer in the hand is worth two in the bra . Keith. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Trainshed Terry Posted June 27, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 27, 2017 I missed read the title. Hat coat gone Terry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitfire2865 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Someone deliberately designed this...luckily we have moved past such dark times? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
devonseasider Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 When I read the thread title I thought it should be under wheeltappers, not modelling zone. Shows the way my mind works! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 I'm really struggling to find anything aesthetically pleasing about their appearance, and never seen anything quite like them before: Buffers1.jpg Go on, its clearly a Peckett, but where and why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pb_devon Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Wide/large buffers are required where there are sharp curves, to avoid buffer lock. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 More curious than the width of the head is the 'twin' shank each buffer is equipped with. It's difficult to be certain whether there are two separate shanks behind each head or whether there is a single '8' section shank. Either way, I've never seen the like before. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Is it a steelworks application? They often used beefed up buffers on locos. Never seen that set up of twin shanks before either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 And no, I'll not be doing that one.... Dave the old buffer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Isambarduk Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 "And no, I'll not be doing that one...." Well, I have a Peckett and it is going to have dumb buffers but I would really like to make a set of these - they would be straight forward enough - so please may we have more info about the loco? Thanks. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 If they are double shanks, could it be for shunting mixed gauge? The South Devon Railway broad gauge dock tanks had two separate buffers each side, with a large head connected to both, for shunting broad and narrow (AKA standard) gauge wagons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 When I saw this thread title I thought oh no, a thread about chesty Morgan (for those who don't remember her Google it) but I'm pleased to say it's about loco buffers . . . . Phew. G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 When I saw this thread title I thought oh no, a thread about chesty Morgan (for those who don't remember her Google it) but I'm pleased to say it's about loco buffers . . . . Phew. G I don't need to Google her - I've got a very vivid memory! Even after all these years.......................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith George Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 I have always liked a pair of big buffers. Never forget a buffer in the hand is worth two in the bra . Keith. Chesty Morgan.? You would need two hands for one buffer there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 the two buffer stocks definitely look like a single casting, but the odd thing is that normally if you want to avoid buffer lock on industrial locos you have large diameter buffer heads or dumb buffers another little curios to model one day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) Here's the source: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Larger-Negative-Industrial-Steam-loco-NCB-Sutton-Colliery-BC55-P-2022-42-1959-/272728992981?hash=item3f7fea2cd5:g:cPAAAOSwjRpZSqKs P2022 of 1942 was a W7 supplied new to Butterley Co Ltd for Codnor Park Forge (so yes, for steelworks type work). Here is a snip of the rear buffers showing a bit more detail for those (David!) wishing to recreate these monstrosities: Now then - it appears these buffers might possibly be a product of the Butterley Co, as a picture of another set - on what might be a Butterley Co-built locomotive used at Codnor Park Forge - has come to light on the excellent Chasewaterstuff website (image below link): https://chasewaterstuff.wordpress.com/ncb-west-midlands-division-area-2-locomotives/brereton-collieries-ltd/ If anyone can find out more about Codnor Park Forge, feel free to add it here. Below is a nice photo of some beams loaded at Codnor Park for delivery: Enjoy! Edited June 28, 2017 by Osgood 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 I beleive I once saw an engine with double buffer shanks, its on the cover of fred harmans book about narrow gauge manning wardles What about eight buffers... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 More curious than the width of the head is the 'twin' shank each buffer is equipped with. It's difficult to be certain whether there are two separate shanks behind each head or whether there is a single '8' section shank. Either way, I've never seen the like before. . I'd guess that there would be two separate shanks, given the difficulty (and therefor cost) of machining a weird figure 8 shape either externally on the shank or internally within the stock. Could be wrong though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
844fan Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I beleive I once saw an engine with double buffer shanks, its on the cover of fred harmans book about narrow gauge manning wardles What about eight buffers... Wait does the van it's coupled to also a quad buffer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Isambarduk Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I'd guess that there would be two separate shanks, given the difficulty (and therefor cost) of machining a weird figure 8 shape either externally on the shank or internally within the stock. Could be wrong though. Actually, assuming that we're talking about the same thing, I think the buffer stock is a single casting. It would have been quite straight forward and normal to make a wooden pattern of the shape (from individual components) and then to have cast from that. The machining of a single casting with two sockets for two buffer shanks would not have been a particular challenge either. The fit of the double buffer shanks in these sockets would not have required great precision so I expect that the buffer shanks and head were fabricated from (at least) three parts. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Isambarduk Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 What about eight buffers... Looks vaguely unsettling! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Isambarduk Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Wait does the van it's coupled to also a quad buffer? No, I think not. What you can see is the back of the additional enlarged buffer head that is riveted to the smaller 'standard' one on the loco. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I beleive I once saw an engine with double buffer shanks, its on the cover of fred harmans book about narrow gauge manning wardles What about eight buffers... https://pictures.abebooks.com/TIGGER2/19574901034.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Actually, assuming that we're talking about the same thing, I think the buffer stock is a single casting. It would have been quite straight forward and normal to make a wooden pattern of the shape (from individual components) and then to have cast from that. The machining of a single casting with two sockets for two buffer shanks would not have been a particular challenge either. The fit of the double buffer shanks in these sockets would not have required great precision so I expect that the buffer shanks and head were fabricated from (at least) three parts. David We may be at crossed purposes here. I agree that the stocks are single castings but I contend that it is likely that they would be machined by boring two circular holes in them. These could easily form a figure 8 if they overlapped but this would mean that the buffer shank would need to be figure 8 shaped. I can't think of a simple and therefore cost-effective method of machining such a thing, even to a fairly rough stnadard, prior to the availability of CNC (or at least NC) mills. I suppose you could turn two circular shanks, machine flats on them and weld them together but it would be rather a faff when you could simply use two separate shanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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