D605Eagle Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 They will sell their exclusive, black, versions for a price "similar" to the RRP of the green version. Which would be about £106. I don't see what else it could be, so thats £18 less that Hattons Dapol version. I expect that Hattons profit margin will be big enough to enable them to reduce the price of the Dapol one to be competative if they need to. This might end up to the customers advantage in the end, competition reducing price. On the other hand if either Rails or Hattons loose out they might thing again about commsioning another loco, so we might loose out too! Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted March 10, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2011 My gut feeling is that Rails will pitch the black ones at £110 otherwise why would they have not said "at the same price as the RRP of the green ones" Still lower than Hattons so may push them into reducing the price and reducing their margins.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 47107 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 No it isn't. That states exactly what I put in my last post prices TBA. Bernard Yes it is. Read the text on the left hand side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Yes it is. Read the text on the left hand side. I am. Here it is. 'All advance orders we have received for green liveried versions will be honoured at our discounted price, details of which will be announced very shortly.' As I said, price TBA. Anything else, at this stage, is speculation. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 I am. Here it is. 'All advance orders we have received for green liveried versions will be honoured at our discounted price, details of which will be announced very shortly.' As I said, price TBA. Anything else, at this stage, is speculation. Bernard Not on the black ones which are going to be a similar price to the RRP of the green ones (£106.60). The green ones will be under £100 from retailers with the discounting so its hardly complete guesswork. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 47107 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Quote "The RRP of the green versions is £106.60 but Rails will be offering these through our usual competitive pricing structure. The price of the black liveried versions exclusive to Rails will be similar to that of the full RRP of the green versions." They may not yet have announced the exact price of the black ones, and nobody in the any of the above posts has said they have, but your original question was " Where do you get the information about 'considerably cheaper' from and how significant is the difference?", how much clearer can the Rails statement be ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrowroad Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 With the announcement of the Bachmann models of these two early diesels I am looking for an excuse to buy one. I am aware they spent their early lives on the West Coast and St Pancras to Derby routes when they were shedded at Willesden/Camden, followed by a number of years based at Nine Elms to operate the Bournemouth and West Country routes but can anybody tell me whether they ever worked the Birmingham, Gloucester Bristol route during their lives? It would be nice to have a reason for use on my Bristol Barrow Road layout passing on a train in or out of Bristol. Who needs an excuse - I'll probably get one anyway. Robin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagrizz Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I hope this link works - I've not tried this before, but this mylink will hopefully take you to a thread from last year in which the Twins, their liveries and workings were discussed in some detail. If the link doesn't work then it's on page 7 of this Bachmann section. In short, no the twins did not operate between Birmingham and Bristol but I'm sure the locos will look very good on your layout anyway! Regards Graham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagrizz Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 That link didn't work, so I'll try again. My link Graham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I am aware they spent their early lives on the West Coast and St Pancras to Derby routes when they were shedded at Willesden/Camden, followed by a number of years based at Nine Elms to operate the Bournemouth and West Country routes but can anybody tell me whether they ever worked the Birmingham, Gloucester Bristol route during their lives? It would be nice to have a reason for use on my Bristol Barrow Road layout passing on a train in or out of Bristol. Who needs an excuse - I'll probably get one anyway. Robin I seem to remember reading somewhere that when the pair were available they ran on the WCML together but when one was out of action / in works, the other one was used on St. Pancras - Manchesters. It may have depended on dreivers route and traction knowledge but, like you say, who needs an excuse? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrowroad Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I hope this link works - I've not tried this before, but this mylink will hopefully take you to a thread from last year in which the Twins, their liveries and workings were discussed in some detail. If the link doesn't work then it's on page 7 of this Bachmann section. In short, no the twins did not operate between Birmingham and Bristol but I'm sure the locos will look very good on your layout anyway! Regards Graham Interesting link Graham - thanks. I'm sure I can stretch the use of one for a Derby - Bristol - maybe a test run following a works visit Robin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagrizz Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Interesting link Graham - thanks. I'm sure I can stretch the use of one for a Derby - Bristol - maybe a test run following a works visit Robin Of course. Stranger things have happened. Graham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 I notice that Hattons are quoting a pre order price of £87.00 for the Bachmann release. Price of there own release still £124.00, just wonder if the price of the Dapol/Hattons price might change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I notice that Hattons are quoting a pre order price of £87.00 for the Bachmann release. Price of there own release still £124.00, just wonder if the price of the Dapol/Hattons price might change. That was a pretty good guess by me then, but I'm still supprised they are even selling them as any sale will undermine their own/Dapol version with its associated costs..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted March 18, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 18, 2011 Rails have announced the price of the black versions - £109.99. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted March 18, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2011 My gut feeling is that Rails will pitch the black ones at £110 otherwise why would they have not said "at the same price as the RRP of the green ones" Still lower than Hattons so may push them into reducing the price and reducing their margins.... Rails have announced the price of the black versions - £109.99. Do I win a prize Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Do I win a prize Yes - the one penny difference! That being the price for the Rails version, I'm going to hold out until I see some reviews of both sets of models before deciding which I go with. My gut feeling is that I like the Dapol one's front end better, but the Bachmann pre-pod looked better in the sides. Going to calmly await events, and see what happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kempenfelt Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Interesting link Graham - thanks. I'm sure I can stretch the use of one for a Derby - Bristol - maybe a test run following a works visit Robin I dunno Robin, I don't think you can justify the one!.............................. Surely you'd have to get a pair for the testing on the 12-14 coach non-stop trial runs over the Lickey!!! Ummmm, you're going to need to increase the size of that fiddle yard!!! :D B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Hatton's now seem to have upped the price to £99 according to my shopping cart. Looks like the order will be going elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy P Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Following a related enquiry, Rails' Dick Flower informed me that the black & chrome versions of 10000 and 10001 will probably be issued only as a boxed pair (initially but may be available individually later) as most orders so far received are for both locos in original condition. This set will be priced at £249.99. As previously mentioned here, the remaining black locos will be exclusive to Rails and will be £109.99. Rails price for the green Bachmann general release versions will be (quote) about £87 (RRP £106.50). This is generally good news if it is remembered that the original estimated price of all versions was to be c.£135. This should allow room for manoeuvre for anyone wanting more than two of these things. This also explains what many may have suspected following the Bachmann 2011 announcements. RP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Following a related enquiry, Rails' Dick Flower informed me that the black & chrome versions of 10000 and 10001 will probably be issued only as a boxed pair (initially but may be available individually later) as most orders so far received are for both locos in original condition. This set will be priced at £249.99. As previously mentioned here, the remaining black locos will be exclusive to Rails and will be £109.99. Rails price for the green Bachmann general release versions will be (quote) about £87 (RRP £106.50). This is generally good news if it is remembered that the original estimated price of all versions was to be c.£135. This should allow room for manoeuvre for anyone wanting more than two of these things. This also explains what many may have suspected following the Bachmann 2011 announcements. RP Thank you Roy - thats very interesting! The green versions are the ones I am after. If the price you suggest Rails will sell the BR green ones is correct, I think Rails will get my money after all, regardless of the quality debate between the Bachmann and Dapol offerings. They do not look so different that they are not both instantly recognisable as 10000/10001, after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScRSG Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Does anyone else think that Hattons will reduce the price of their green versions before everyone cancels at £125? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brittannia Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Rails have e-mailed me on my order with them for a green with eggshell blue stripe 10001 and say that will honour the order with the usual discounts they give on none limited editions for Bachmann products Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Well I see Rails have finally put a price on the green Bachmann 10000/10001 for pre order, the price being £85.50 which if you add postage is £90. Hattons are showing £99 plus postage for the same models.Price still the same for there Dapol Version £124 Just wonder who is going to sell the most. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vac_basher Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Does anyone else think that Hattons will reduce the price of their green versions before everyone cancels at £125? My goodness! Did anybody actually order any in the first place?! (Sorry, couldn't resist ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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