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#1 kingfisher24

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 16:32

i have many models that are powered by the trusty x04 and they are very reliable, there are a couple of my locos that i use for shunting that are powered by this motor but, could do with a smoother drive for slow running.

does anybody know if a replacement motor exists. i do know that buhler did a replacement motor a few years ago but, other than that no clue.

could any rmwebber help with ideas.
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#2 Butler Henderson

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 16:42

I replaced the smaller Rocket motor with a Mashima motor by fixing the front of the original onto the Mashima and using black sealent to hold the back of the motor in place mount - something similar should be possible for a X04

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 17:09

Specifically no, but I could suggest a small etching that would be used to fit a mashima motor into a XO4 fixing.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 18:58

Quite often 5 pole motors come up for sale, Airfix?. Not as good as can motors but much better than the 3 pole Hornby ones.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 19:53

Looked into this a while back. Found this one. may not be available in the UK yet. They do show prices in "GB Pounds" on the web site. modeltorque.com.au


Hornby x.04 motor "drop in" replacement kit
New brass worm & high torque can motor. Never requires re-magnetizing!


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#6 bigherb

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 22:21

Hornby do a replacement. The motor fitted to the B12 can be retrofited to most of the older Triang/Hornby chassis.

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#7 Horsetan

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:07

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Is that not a Mabuchi motor? They used to sell those in bulk - it worked out at about 50p each.....

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 11:15

^
Is that not a Mabuchi motor? They used to sell those in bulk - it worked out at about 50p each.....


Yep. Bit more than that now.

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item4aa903deea

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 16:44

Hornby do a replacement. The motor fitted to the B12 can be retrofited to most of the older Triang/Hornby chassis.

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Are these motors any good please

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 17:15

They are smoother and quieter than the XO4 motors, as for reliability most of mine are fitted under whitemetal 0-6-0 kits I often leave one trundling around for an hour or so and haven't burn one out yet. The motor as a unit without the mounting bracket is so cheap I wouldn't worry if they did.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 21:26

They are smoother and quieter than the XO4 motors, as for reliability most of mine are fitted under whitemetal 0-6-0 kits I often leave one trundling around for an hour or so and haven't burn one out yet. The motor as a unit without the mounting bracket is so cheap I wouldn't worry if they did.


To add to bigherb, the "B12" motors are OK. As stated they are smoother and quieter than an X04, and they seem reasonably powerful - my B12 can pull 6 carriages, and the limit on pulling any more is wheel slippage rather than motor power. Whether they last as long as an X04 is another matter, but are cheaper to replace, and the replacement isnt difficult. I also have a 7 pole motor in a Triang 0-6-0 chassis. These were on sale on ebay a few years back and are very similar in appearance to X04s, but are not a direct replacement, and it took a bit of work to fit it into the 0-6-0. It runs well at slow speed, but is still a bit noisy (quieter than a normal X04, but noisier than the B12 motor). I have about 3 more that I havent got round to fitting into a chassis yet!

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 10:17

(I know this sounds stupid) but will the 'B12' motor featured here fit the older Hornby R150 B12?

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:30

I managed to fit one it needs a bit of fettling to the mounting slots on the chassis but does go and will go.
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#14 bob hughes60

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:42

An alternative is to swap the ferrite magnet for a neodymium one.
£4.95 from eyespydublo on ebay
I have done this with ageing (triang/Hornby jinties) which I re-wheeled, repainted, accessorised etc.
They will move more slowly at a lower power(current?) according to my gaugemaster transformer.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:02

By 'fettling', what do you mean? Will also look at neo magnet, but the magnet seems strong anyway.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:29

By 'fettling', what do you mean? Will also look at neo magnet, but the magnet seems strong anyway.

I had to file (gently) a bit of metal from the two slots that the motor hooks into on the chassis. about half a dozen strokes each side tturned a non fit into a tight fit I did not need any packing to mesh the gears.tHe motor and mount cost three quid so I was not that worried , however it works ok.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 16:12

Could you post some pictures of how. I just want to be sure before I commit.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 16:21

These Airfix 5 pole motors are an easy replacement http://www.ebay.co.u...984.m1423.l2649 may even be better with a neopreen magnet. But are a straight forward drop in replacement. A brand new one sold yesterday for £11, have not looked too closely at the one in the link but these come up quite regulary

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#19 BG John

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 17:14

I assume that 5 pole replacement armatures aren't available any more. I fitted one many years ago and it worked nicely.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 17:34

I assume that 5 pole replacement armatures aren't available any more. I fitted one many years ago and it worked nicely.


I think these like the motors are a thing of the past, I have a small stock of these 5 pole motors to fit into some Wills brass chassis just to make life easier with some kits I have. Modern can motors with the 2 stage gearboxes are best, but as a retro fit these are an easy solution, and just the job to fit as a replacement into Hornby chassis

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 17:03

Could you post some pictures of how. I just want to be sure before I commit.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 17:08

These Airfix 5 pole motors are an easy replacement http://www.ebay.co.u...984.m1423.l2649 may even be better with a neopreen magnet. But are a straight forward drop in replacement. A brand new one sold yesterday for £11, have not looked too closely at the one in the link but these come up quite regulary


Don't think a neoprene magnet would be very effective http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoprene
http://en.wikipedia....eodymium_magnet however... ;-)

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