Michael Delamar Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) Bachmann have announced these, the fact they've marked them as 21t is a little confusting, but Im guessing this is the 20t LMS version? Diagram 1689? or BR 1/270 or 1/271? whatever version it is Im looking forward to getting a few 38-600 21 Ton Grain Hopper BR Grey 38-601 21 Ton Grain Hopper BR Bauxite (Early) 38-602 21 Ton Grain Hopper BR Bauxite (Late) Edited June 30, 2013 by Michael Delamar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Bachmann have announced these, the fact they've marked them as 21t is a little confusting, but Im guessing this is the 20t LMS version? Diagram 1689? or BR 1/270 or 1/271? whatever version it is Im looking forward to getting a few post-1-0-66740800-1362987577_thumb.jpg 38-600 21 Ton Grain Hopper BR Grey 38-601 21 Ton Grain Hopper BR Bauxite (Early) 38-602 21 Ton Grain Hopper BR Bauxite (Late) Oooh, I notice it's got the Dowty buffers with the 16'' head that I've just done for the Airfix ESSO tankers.... Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 30, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 30, 2013 Oooh, I notice it's got the Dowty buffers with the 16'' head that I've just done for the Airfix ESSO tankers.... Dave. You need to get out more Dave, that kitchen is doing you no favours at all Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 I cant fathom why they are marked as 21t yet the one in the photo clearly says 20t? may either have the photo wrong or the description? anyway heres a shot which appears to have 2 versions.. Aintree by Kerry Parker (KP), on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 D2217 by Saxicola Torquata, on Flickr Harrow Lane Sidings by Saxicola Torquata, on Flickr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 I cant fathom why they are marked as 21t yet the one in the photo clearly says 20t? may either have the photo wrong or the description? anyway heres a shot which appears to have 2 versions.. Aintree by Kerry Parker (KP), on Flickr The furthest one is an ex-LMS one, I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Michael, the wagon in your first photo is a diagram 1/275 as they were vacuum fitted. Wagons with a similar body but shorter wheelbase and unfitted or piped are 1/271. The earlier style ones with the ribs extending onto the roof are 1/270 (similar to late LMS) but those in some of the photos with a different shape roof look like the early LMS ones. They do seem to have been 20t but some of the photos on Paul Bartlett's site show them as 20.5t, I think that may be the metric version (tonnes as opposed to tons). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 Michael, the wagon in your first photo is a diagram 1/275 as they were vacuum fitted. thats the official Bachmann photo so I guess if its correct, its a 1/275 that they'll be doing then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 thats the official Bachmann photo so I guess if its correct, its a 1/275 that they'll be doing then Given that neither the Insulfish nor the LMS CCT are apparently models of the versions shown in the photo, I wouldn't put any money on it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjnewitt Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 No aparently about the BR fish van. Hornby have used a picture of a 1/801 in their publicity photos and are producing a 1/800. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share Posted July 1, 2013 what version is the Dapol one and how accurate is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share Posted July 1, 2013 quick search, seems the old Dapol one has errors but can be worked with.. http://nevardmedia.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/updating-Dapol-grain-wagon.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share Posted July 1, 2013 some superb scratchbuilt ones.. http://www.emgauge70s.co.uk/project_grains.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 I cant fathom why they are marked as 21t yet the one in the photo clearly says 20t? may either have the photo wrong or the description? anyway heres a shot which appears to have 2 versions.. Aintree by Kerry Parker (KP), on Flickr The third is an LMS grain. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) D2217 by Saxicola Torquata, on Flickr Harrow Lane Sidings by Saxicola Torquata, on Flickr the second in first photo and Middle one in 2nd photo are LMS Edited July 1, 2013 by hmrspaul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Bachmann have announced these, the fact they've marked them as 21t is a little confusting, but Im guessing this is the 20t LMS version? Diagram 1689? or BR 1/270 or 1/271? whatever version it is Im looking forward to getting a few post-1-0-66740800-1362987577_thumb.jpg 38-600 21 Ton Grain Hopper BR Grey 38-601 21 Ton Grain Hopper BR Bauxite (Early) 38-602 21 Ton Grain Hopper BR Bauxite (Late) This is a photo of a 275, vacuum braked one. They are NOT doing the LMS one - all bar the final lot had a flatter roof profile http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsgrain except the final batch which had the profile that developed into 270, as rivetted and then 271 as welded. quick search, seems the old Dapol one has errors but can be worked with.. http://nevardmedia.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/updating-Dapol-grain-wagon.html No its too short, and Nevard didn't modify it if the article in Model Rail is correct. Some others have lengthened the Hornby Dublo model 21tonne would be reasonably accurate - metric. I suggest that wait and see is much better than all this frothing about a prototype photo. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 cheers Paul The main reason I wanted to know what version they are doing was so that I could look into modelling the version that they aren't doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 Green Lane Junction 1976 by Lime street Dave, on Flickr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) cheers Paul The main reason I wanted to know what version they are doing was so that I could look into modelling the version that they aren't doing. They aren't doing the LMS rivetted low profile or high profile rivetted type (became 240) Nor the GWR ones - K's did a quite reasonable representation of the steel GWR GRANO http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrgrain/e29e929ef And Parkside makes the very nicely interesting LNER version. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnergrain As you can see these survived pretty well as long as the later BR unfitted vans. Paul Bartlett Edited July 2, 2013 by hmrspaul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 would it be possible or indeed worth it trying to mod the BR one into the LMS one? by adding a piece to the top sides, maybe if it was something like a cast resin piece to the LMS profile? or is there other dimensions and differences elsewhere on the wagon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I'm waiting to see one to decide whether the high profile LMS one is a goer. I think anything involving more work than that would be easier scratchbuilt. The LNER one and Grano Paul mentioned can be seen in my WB thread, Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Bachmann Europe Plc would like to clarify that the BR 21 Ton Grain Hopper 38-600 announced in the 2013/14 range will be of a wagon built to the BR Diagram No 1/271. Unfortunately the wrong photograph was used in the catalogue on page 166, this being for the longer BR Diagram 1/275 and was not noticed until after the catalogue went to print. Bachmann apologise for this error and any confusion caused. If you wish to see photographs of the 1/271 diagram, please visit Paul Bartlett's excellent website. http://paulbartlett.....com/brgraincgo Bachmann Research & Development Dept 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Never mind all this weight business, I am definitely having one labelled for GRAN, adjacent D2217 in the picture above, post 15. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 5, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) Never mind all this weight business, I am definitely having one labelled for GRAN, adjacent D2217 in the picture above, post 15. Regrettably it's a GRAIN, it's a ropey photo, the letters are spaced very close together, compare with the adjacent wagon. Mike. Was going to say it's a coarse grain picture! Edited July 7, 2013 by Enterprisingwestern Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 thanks for the clarification Andy next comes the boring question, when are they expected? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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