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I now have four small layouts in the Farthing series, each of which can be operated on my desk or the dining table. That should satisfy my daily operating needs for a while, allowing me to take on Farthing’s main station building and platforms.

 

 

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For this I’m returning to the Newbury theme. When Newbury station was rebuilt during 1908-1910 four lines were laid, with loop lines along the Up and Down platforms and through lines in the center.

 

 

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This resulted in the above arrangement. Source: Britain from Above.

 

 

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As we already knowFarthing’s history and layout as a junction station was very similar to Newbury.  So I’ve grabbed this part of the Newbury trackplan and adapted it for Farthing. The two remaining bays are left out for now, but may follow later in one form or another.

 

 

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As usual it’s very simple. We live in a small flat and I don’t have a layout room, so I’ll join up four modules on the dining table. The modules are stored in an attic room so need to be short and narrow. We have two light work-desks which can be arranged at each end for 150 cm cassettes to slide on. It won’t be practical for my daily running sessions, this is for special occasions.

 

 

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Though limited, the plan is not completely without operational scope, as listed here. The run isn’t that long but I'd rather do something than nothing. If circumstances allow, future modules can add more length. 

 

 

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One module – the Branch Bay – was the first of the Farthing layouts and so is already done. It just needs the fascia removed, allowing another module to be fitted in front. I’ll still be able to operate it separately during my daily sessions.

 

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I’ve now begun the second module. It will be a scenic board, featuring Farthing’s main station building, viewable from both sides. As simple as it gets.

 

 

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Except that I have to build this. The station building will be a model of the main Up side building at Newbury.

 

 

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It is of course still there and can be seen in Google Streetview. Handy when you live across the North Sea during a pandemic.

 

 

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The architectural style at Newbury was not unique. This is Westbury, where the style appears to have originated when Westbury station was rebuilt in 1899 – indeed Adrian Vaughan calls it the “Westbury style” in his book on GWR architecture. Source: Wikipedia Commons.

 

 

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A distinctive feature of the style was the shape and decoration of the limestone lintels above rounded windows.

 

 

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The style was also employed on some other GWR stations in the early 1900s, although without the gables. There were several on the GWR/GCR New Line. This is Bicester North, built 1910. Source: Chiltern Railways on Pinterest.


 

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I spotted a simpler variant in photos of Tyseley, built 1906. Source: Wikipedia Commons.


 

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Back at Newbury, the Upside building is a long structure, as seen here on Google Earth using the handy measuring tool. In 4mm scale it comes out at just under 84 cms. The sensible approach would be to do a compressed version. But I need a challenge, so will do the whole thing.

 

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Here’s a GWR outline drawing of Newbury, with only the wording changed to match Farthing. It’s longer than some of my existing layouts! I’ll build the structure in three main parts, joined by magnets. I anticipate compromises along the way, so expect pragmatism.


 

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Work has begun. I’m tracing the GWR outline drawing in Inkscape in preparation for cutting out brick sheets on my Silhouette Cutter. The GWR drawing is rather rough, but OK for my purposes and I have historical and contemporary photos to work from.

 

 

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I'm still to decide whether I'll also build the footbridge, seen above. A big task, but tempting. Especially because it’s gone now, removed in 2018 for OLE installation. Slowly, the old world disappears. But modellers are sorcerers, we can bring things back.

 

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9 hours ago, Mikkel said:

My old detailed Triang Dean Single...

 

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Detailed and interesting choice of livery.  Is this after or before your red frame pre-1906 livery period?

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On 19/02/2022 at 08:54, Simond said:

is it possible that the receiver of the advertising revenue was somehow connected with the advertising board branding?

 

I'm not sure I understand you correctly Simon, but the company lettering on the poster boards in the High Wycombe photo can also be seen in photos of some other GWR stations at that time. So I think it was standard - or at least one of the standards! BTW it's interesting that the right-hand side GCR advertising board in that photo also follows the GWR style, which brings us back to the discussion about how liveries on joint lines were agreed upon. 

 

 

20 hours ago, Dana Ashdown said:

I removed the magnet from my Lord of the Isles and Caledonian single years ago because on nickel-silver track the magnet pulled on the rear wheels and made the rear end pull to one side. No problem without the magnet, but there is a gap. I have thought about trying to demagnetise the magnet and reinstalling it, but remagnetising it would be a problem... maybe just put a piece of heavy metal into the space.

 

Thanks Dana. Maybe I shouldn't give up on it yet then. I recall also having trouble running it through Code 75 points last time I had it out, but that shouldn't be a problem if I just run it on the through lines :). It would need a better bogie though, the Triang one is really no good.

 

 

18 hours ago, Brassey said:

Detailed and interesting choice of livery.  Is this after or before your red frame pre-1906 livery period?

 

It was an early modification project, before Hornby re-released it with some detail improvements. It was painted by Chris Phillips to my instructions. Back then I focused on the post-1906 period. It's possible that livery and condition don't match, those were more carefree days. Maybe I should get it out next time I go to the attic.

 

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2 hours ago, Mikkel said:

I'm not sure I understand you correctly Simon


many people say that…

 

I was wondering if the GW received the revenue for the posters stuck to its poster boards, and the GC received that from theirs.  Otherwise I could see little benefit in naming the boards themselves, other than to reinforce the company image, of course.

 

modern hoardings in the uk are typically labelled, eg “Primesite”, “Clearchannel” and I remember “More O’Ferrall” too.  
 

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2 hours ago, Simond said:

...I was wondering if the GW received the revenue for the posters stuck to its poster boards, and the GC received that from theirs.  Otherwise I could see little benefit in naming the boards themselves, other than to reinforce the company image, of course.

 

modern hoardings in the uk are typically labelled, eg “Primesite”, “Clearchannel” and I remember “More O’Ferrall” too.  
 

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I don't think the concept of sold printed poster advertising existed in the Edwardian times as we knew it. (nowadays it's all becoming digital).  The branded poster boards were likely to advertise the railway company's own services and excursions, timetables etc..  On my line the GWR branded theirs and the L&NWR (later LMS) theirs.  This could be so that Bill Stickers didn't stick them on the wrong boards as well as bringing the services to the attention of the travelling public. 

 

The railways were of course amongst the first to exploit the poster medium to publicize their destinations and there are many famous examples.  But paid for advertising posters probably didn't start until the 1920's

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I would think branded commercial products were on the enamel signs and probably these would be paid for as a bulk supply to the railway company for general application to the system. The b&w printed paper posters for non railway purposes, appearing for a limited time, such as auctions, would appear wherever they could be squeezed in without anyone complaining, most likely not on railway property? 

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Printed/poster adverts were common on hoardings of course.

 

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The Reading yards had hoardings in several places along the edges as seen below. I have assumed that these were a source of income for the GWR as they were up against their fences, but on the other hand I suppose the pavement is public land?

 

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I expect that the revenue from the hoardings would be gathered by the hoarding company, and they in turn would pay whomever owned what land or fencing they attached their structures to.

 

It seems that the hoardings were attached to railway fences, and their butresses would be staked down in railway land, so my guess is that the railway took a fair share of the income, one way or another.

 

but it really is supposition on my part

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On 14/02/2022 at 20:16, Mikkel said:

Thanks very much, that's certainly first hand evidence!  I had read about the recent developments but couldn't find any recent photos (Google Streetview is not current).

 

I assume that the structure on the left is the new multi-storey car park. Not easy to tell that there was once a bay platform area there! There are currently various photos on ebay showing the derelict track in the Lambourn bay, although the dates seem to be a bit mixed up:

 

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Many thanks for the offer of measuring things. The GWR outline drawing of Newbury does not come with measurements, so I am counting bricks - which seems to fit reasonably well with length measurements on Google Earth. But if you happen to pass by it would be interesting to know what the height of 1 brick + mortar is. 

 

I look forward to following your own model of Newbury in due course. It is really a very modellable station, I think.

 

 

 

Alas modelling Newbury must remain a pipe dream for now, but I am planning to take on Welford Park station and military exchange sidings soon - just up the tracks on the old Lambourn Branch. More on that story later!

 

The height of one brick and one line of mortar is 76mm (brick 69mm and mortar 7mm).

 

Your request prompted me to examine the station building in more detail - simple elegance. I have uploaded some photos below to whet your appetite!   The large building is indeed the new multi-storey car park, soon to be overshadowed by some even newer flats on the old car park and bus station. Newbury managed to retain its country town feel until electrification, but it is great to see some serious money has been invested in its development. There some interesting documents and maps on the West Berks website.

 

 

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Fantastic, many thanks for this!

 

15 hours ago, crompton said:

The height of one brick and one line of mortar is 76mm (brick 69mm and mortar 7mm).

 

Very helpful. Elsewhere on the forum I have seen 215mm x 102.5 x 65mm (a.k.a. 8 1/2" x 4" x 2 1/2") as the standard brick size since Victorian times, with standard mortar of 10mm (3/8"). I have been using this to count bricks and scale the drawings, but was wondering how close it actually was to the prototype. The Newbury bricks are taller but the mortar lines thinner so the end result is a height difference between 75 and 76 mm when counting bricks - which translates into very little in 4mm scale, even across multiple courses. I'll resize the drawing to suit anyway.

 

 

15 hours ago, crompton said:

Your request prompted me to examine the station building in more detail - simple elegance. I have uploaded some photos below to whet your appetite! 

 

Interesting to see how the condition of the bricks varies. Some have been replaced of course. Your photos highlight some of the modelling challenges. I suppose I could have some of the decorative components professionally 3D printed (or similar), but if possible I would prefer just using basic styrene components so I can build it myself, even if it means cutting down on the really fine detail.

 

The rounded bullnose bricks are so elegant though, I wonder if there's a way of sanding brick sheet joins to achieve the effect, or will it not even be noticeable in 4mm scale. Must experiment!

 

 

15 hours ago, crompton said:

I am planning to take on Welford Park station and military exchange sidings soon - just up the tracks on the old Lambourn Branch. More on that story later!

 

Great choice, that will be a treat. It had such characterful structures, not just the pagoda sheds (interesting livery in some photos!), but also the signal box and superb little booking office. Some good operational scope too with the military sidings.

 

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5 hours ago, Mikkel said:

the end result is a height difference between 75 and 76 mm when counting bricks - which translates into very little in 4mm scale, even across multiple courses

 

it's basically three of our old English "inches", which, for you 4mm modellers, scales conveniently to one modern, international millimetre!

 

Now, I would like a quiet word with whomever was responsible for 1/43.5...

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Mikkel,

I have noticed that mortar sizes vary with the age of the building, i.e., that they used different amounts of mortar at different time.

 

It will be interesting to see exactly what you can produce.  At Newton Station there are different scupltings on each of the middle stone parts of the windows.  These will not be reproduced at Traeth Mawr.  You also have the advantage that you are reproducing Farthing and not Newbury so the architecture does not have to be exact.

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On 20/02/2022 at 06:30, Mikkel said:

It would need a better bogie though, the Triang one is really no good.

You could try new bogie wheels? That might improve things if the flanges are too deep.

 

I'll have to see how mine works on of my lone piece Peco bullhead flex track, although other wagons and engines haven't any difficulties with it (which isn't really saying much). Switches are a different matter, and I only have Code 100 which presented no problems in the past.

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On 19/02/2022 at 07:54, Simond said:

is it possible that the receiver of the advertising revenue was somehow connected with the advertising board branding?

 

On 20/02/2022 at 13:48, Simond said:

I was wondering if the GW received the revenue for the posters stuck to its poster boards, and the GC received that from theirs.  Otherwise I could see little benefit in naming the boards themselves, other than to reinforce the company image, of course.

 

On 20/02/2022 at 16:27, Brassey said:

I don't think the concept of sold printed poster advertising existed in the Edwardian times as we knew it. (nowadays it's all becoming digital).  The branded poster boards were likely to advertise the railway company's own services and excursions, timetables etc..  On my line the GWR branded theirs and the L&NWR (later LMS) theirs.  This could be so that Bill Stickers didn't stick them on the wrong boards as well as bringing the services to the attention of the travelling public. 

 

The railways were of course amongst the first to exploit the poster medium to publicize their destinations and there are many famous examples.  But paid for advertising posters probably didn't start until the 1920's

 

I'm with @Brassey here. The headed poster boards were for the railway company's own advertising; on a joint line there would be separate boards for both (all) companies and for the joint concern too, if it had separate management like the CLC, M&GN, or S&DJR. I believe it wan't unusual to find boards headed for other companies, if they were lines in connection - e.g. G&SWR and NBR-headed boards at Midland stations and vice-versa. I imagine these would be on a quid-pro-quo arrangement. Paid-for non-railway-company posters would be displayed elsewhere, if on poster boards, ones without headers.

 

On 20/02/2022 at 17:16, Northroader said:

I would think branded commercial products were on the enamel signs and probably these would be paid for as a bulk supply to the railway company for general application to the system. The b&w printed paper posters for non railway purposes, appearing for a limited time, such as auctions, would appear wherever they could be squeezed in without anyone complaining, most likely not on railway property? 

 

There were plenty such on railway property. Victorian photos if the interior of the train shed at St Pancras show the walls plastered with advertising.  This is the best photo I could find off-hand; excuse the engine:

 

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On 22/02/2022 at 11:53, Mikkel said:

Printed/poster adverts were common on hoardings of course.

 

The Reading yards had hoardings in several places along the edges as seen below. I have assumed that these were a source of income for the GWR as they were up against their fences, but on the other hand I suppose the pavement is public land?

 

There's no reason why the railway company couldn't be selling advertising space on its own boundary. I doubt it's a borough council hoarding.

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1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

 

There's no reason why the railway company couldn't be selling advertising space on its own boundary. I doubt it's a borough council hoarding.


it baffles me how the railways would have organised charging for this advertising space.  What we see are national brands advertising on hoardings so to mount a national campaign would mean dealing with lots of different railway companies.  maybe there was something like the RCH managing this. 
 

i contacted the History of Advertising Trust a while back specifically about enamel signs but they have little if any information on this early period in the history of advertising. 

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There is an excellent section on advertising in "Operating the Caledonian railway V1 " by Jim Summers.

 

So, yes Brassey, CR practice would be CR named poster boards for CR advertising , enamel or plain boards for the rest. Timetables and advertising were the responsibility of the same department. 

 

One quote which appealed to me :

 

" Disgruntled comments about the displacement of maps of railway systems ( by advertisements)  in carriage compartments appeared in a journal devoted to public health in 1915"

 

Not that I would draw any comparisons to disgruntled comments about advertising on railway oriented websites...... 

 

( Sorry Mikkel , a bit OT perhaps , but your blogs do generate some wonderful discussions) 

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43 minutes ago, Brassey said:


it baffles me how the railways would have organised charging for this advertising space.  What we see are national brands advertising on hoardings so to mount a national campaign would mean dealing with lots of different railway companies.  maybe there was something like the RCH managing this. 
 

i contacted the History of Advertising Trust a while back specifically about enamel signs but they have little if any information on this early period in the history of advertising. 

To have a national advertising campaign now, companies or their agents presumably have to deal with numerous TV and radio stations, a variety of magazine and newspaper publishing groups, the various bill board companies and now of course there are social media and other digital outlets to negotiate with. I suspect it may have been a lot simpler back then, although the communication methods were slower and more laborious.

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8 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

The headed poster boards were for the railway company's own advertising; on a joint line there would be separate boards for both (all) companies and for the joint concern too, if it had separate management like the CLC, M&GN, or S&DJR.

 

What interested me about the High Wycombe photo is that the GWR and GCR poster boards have the same design - and that it appears to be the GWR's:

 

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1 hour ago, Mikkel said:

 

What interested me about the High Wycombe photo is that the GWR and GCR poster boards have the same design - and that it appears to be the GWR's:

 

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Having the same design display boards was not uncommon.  This is Woofferton and although poor quality, shows GWR and L&NWR  boards.  Note the white windows.

 

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In terms of charging for hoardings, did they charge the same for a poster at Paddington and Reading for example? How long did a poster stay up and how long was it charged for?  And who was responsible for posting it?

 

Presumably "Advertising Agents" were involved as intermediaries and brokered the space.  Nowadays it's easy to just send a digital file.  But back then they had to print and distribute posters.  Was it organsised or was it random?

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8 hours ago, Brassey said:

it baffles me how the railways would have organised charging for this advertising space.  What we see are national brands advertising on hoardings so to mount a national campaign would mean dealing with lots of different railway companies.  maybe there was something like the RCH managing this. 

 

One would only need to deal with around a dozen companies to get national coverage. 

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Manchester London Road (when it looked like a proper station):

 

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1 hour ago, Brassey said:

Manchester London Road (when it looked like a proper station):

 

That second photo in particular is wonderful - so full of atmosphere (and also rather beautifully composed).

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22 hours ago, Brassey said:

 

Having the same design display boards was not uncommon.  This is Woofferton and although poor quality, shows GWR and L&NWR  boards.  Note the white windows.

 

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Thanks, that does then suggest that one company's livery scheme was used on at least some joint lines. It does make good sense from an aesthetic and practical view.

 

 

19 hours ago, Brassey said:

Manchester London Road (when it looked like a proper station):

 

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Superb. Nice wide pavements too, very civilized. The photos seem to have been taken within a short space of time. The first one before the adverts had come up, the second one after. 

 

Bonus info, as I wait for someone who is late:

  • "The return of the prodigal: A comedy in four acts" was written by John Hankin in 1907.
  • There is a period photo of the Grotto Cafe in 9, Stephenson Square on ebay here.

 

 

15 hours ago, Northroader said:

 

Ha! Very good. Although I think the revenge scheme needs a bit more thinking :)

 

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On 23/02/2022 at 07:36, Mikkel said:

Fantastic, many thanks for this!

 

 

Very helpful. Elsewhere on the forum I have seen 215mm x 102.5 x 65mm (a.k.a. 8 1/2" x 4" x 2 1/2") as the standard brick size since Victorian times, with standard mortar of 10mm (3/8"). I have been using this to count bricks and scale the drawings, but was wondering how close it actually was to the prototype. The Newbury bricks are taller but the mortar lines thinner so the end result is a height difference between 75 and 76 mm when counting bricks - which translates into very little in 4mm scale, even across multiple courses. I'll resize the drawing to suit anyway.

I am doing a similar project of Princes Risborough bay platform, I had the original plans and the up building still stands. I had assumed that the bricks were standard 3" x 4" X 9" plus I knew how many rows of bricks there was. when I drew up the building it didn't look right, when I did a site visit and the brick were 82mm between courses so I adjusted my model and it matched the drawing exactly. 

My model is drawn in Fusion 360 render attached

 

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22 hours ago, David Bigcheeseplant said:

I am doing a similar project of Princes Risborough bay platform, I had the original plans and the up building still stands. I had assumed that the bricks were standard 3" x 4" X 9" plus I knew how many rows of bricks there was. when I drew up the building it didn't look right, when I did a site visit and the brick were 82mm between courses so I adjusted my model and it matched the drawing exactly. 

My model is drawn in Fusion 360 render attached

 

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It looks very good. Thanks for the info on the bricks.

 

Did Princes Risborough have the discrete profile/edges around the windows as at Newbury?

 

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I gave up featuring these after a couple of failed attempts, but they might be possible if you are printing the building?

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