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A Pannier of mixed parentage - GWR 1854 PT (2)


Mikkel

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My 1854 class open cab Pannier Tank in ca. 1919 condition is now done. To recap, it’s a heavily modified Hornby 2721 body on a Bachmann 8750 chassis, using modified Finecast parts, Finney/Brassmasters fittings and various scratchbuilt items.  Here is a summary of the last part of the build (see this post for earlier steps).

 

 

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The bunker uses modified Finecast sides. Plated coal rails from wire and styrene. DIY fire iron hooks, and lamp irons from a Brassmasters etch.

 

 

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Cab windows were given a profile using circles of styrene cut on my Silhouette. 

 

 

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The cab roof on the Hornby 2721 body was retained but sanded down, including the strips along the sides which make the roof look thick and the cab too high. New slimmer raintrips were added, following the pattern seen on the prototype.


 

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The cab was pragmatically detailed with various bits from the spares box and springs nests from Brassmasters as used in the Finney 1854PT kit.

 

 

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Splasher bands cut from styrene were added to the front splashers, which are the only ones retained from the original Hornby 2721 body. 

 

 

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Steam injector from Alan Gibson, IIRC. Center and rear splashers are from an old Finecast kit.

 

 

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The chimney from Brassmasters was then fitted, as used in the ex-Finney 1854 PT kit. Safety valve cover and bunker only loose fitted at this point, hence the lean.

 

 

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The dome lubricator is also from Brassmasters.

 

 

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Alan Gibson buffers, with white styrene for the square bit on top. Sand boxes are off a Mainline Dean Goods, I think.

 

 

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The lamp irons are from this neat little Finney/Brassmasters etch.

 

 

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This shot illustrates the ungodly mix of RTR components, whitemetal parts, finescale fittings, and scratchbuilt bits and pieces.

 

 

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All grey primer from a rattle can. 

 

 

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Then various filling and sanding, followed by Archer’s rivets which I find bond better when fitted on primer. Micro-Sol was later used to “melt” away the decal paper.

 

 

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Next a base coat of matt black, to add depth to the top coats.

 

 

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Top coat and two coats of varnish. Cab windows glazed with 4.4 mm circles of 0.25 mm clear styrene. Flat base safety valve bonnet is from the old Mainly Trains range, happily still available from 51L. 

 

 

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Medium handrail knobs and wire from Eileen’s Emporium, which sadly had to close shop recently. We owe suppliers like them a lot.

 

 

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Coaling with diluted PVA and a drop of detergent. The rush is sensational!

 

 

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Kernow MRC do a nice etch of fire irons. They are the long variety, so I shortened them and stuck the shafts behind the business end.

 

 

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Photos tend to show fire irons fitted with the rings around the left hand hook, presumably for easy reach by the fireman. Couldn’t find a decent bucket in my spares box, does anyone know a source for buckets that are actually hollow? 

 

 

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Loco lamps are from Modelu. These are actually tail lamps, but they’re what I had for now. This is the 1918-36 headlamp code for a class K ordinary goods. Must include some lenses with the next order.

 

 

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The number plates were purpose-made from Narrow Planet/Light Railway Stores. They are very good.

 

 

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Footplate crew also from Modelu. Both were too tall to go in the cab, so the driver’s legs were shortened while the fireman has a new set of legs off an Andrew Stadden figure. You can’t see their legs behind the cab sides anyway.

 

 

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That’s about it. Screw couplings are on order from Wizard Models.

 

 

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I like my locos clean, but I suppose I ought to give this one a light weathering?

 

 

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No. 1899 is part of a scheme to expand my Edwardian timeframe to allow occasional 1919 workings on my Farthing layouts. Allows me to build more goods stock from other companies, since it’s post-pooling.

 

 

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The main work done. No doubt someone will release a brand new RTR version shortly (@RapidoCorbs& Co. maybe?). But I enjoyed the process.

 

 

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And so at last I have an open cab pannier, 42 years after the Hornby 1980 catalogue triggered the itch with their 2721 class. 

 

Speaking of years, there's a new one looming. So I've dug out this old photo. Happy New Year!
 

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On 16/01/2023 at 02:05, Mikkel said:

 

Many thanks Pete! Saddle tanks are my favourite but "a Pannier never offends", as they say over on the ANTB thread. At this time - 1919 - saddle tank 0-6-0s were in fact still the majority compared to pannier tank dittos on the GWR. But the tide was turning fast and within 3 years the panniers began to gradually outnumber the saddle tanks. This can be seen from Russ' very interesting data over on gwr.org.uk. Swindon must have been very busy at this time replacing tanks.

 

 

 

That sounds intriguing. I'm picturing a Coca Cola van morphing into an O/F GWR van! Something to look forward to.

 

 

How about Prime Pork, Weetabix and something else that I can't remember at the moment. If all goes well, there'll two for the London, Chatham & Dover/Souther Eastern & Chatham, and two for the Great Western. I have my original Prime Pork van, but I'm not sure whether to save it as is (for old times sake), or make it into something else — maybe even an NER refrigerator van!

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I have a Wills 1854 in need of tlc, given me by Philou of this very parish as ever is, bothering me in my 'get a round tuit one day' pile.  Needs a good bit of chopping about to remove the boiler/undertank skirts, and as my intended prototype (1740, last half-cab pannier at Tondu, wd September 1950) had fishbelly rods, a Baccy chassis will do the do.  It's predecessor was a Hornby 2721, worked up in the usual way with a Baccy 57xx chassis (now back under it's donor 57xx), whitemetal buffers, a chimney, dome, and safety valve cover that originated a very long time ago on a Westward 64xx, but quantum better than the Hornby items, real coal, and a messy attempt to move the centre splashers.  I could not get the Baccy chassis to sit under it without cutting a hole at the firehole doors for the worm to sit in.  I eventually gave up on it because I couldn't come to acceptable terms with the overlength bunker, made worse by the overhang; 1740 did not have this at Tondu. 

 

Maybe sometime this year.  Green 1942-7 G W R initials livery, and I will have to source suitable 'grotesque' lettering to represent a Caerphilly-painted engine, which also needs a red-painted reversing lever.  The real engine finished it's career as a yard pilot around Tondu and it is debatable that it would ever have been allowed out into the mountain fastnesses of somewhere like Cwmdimbath, but Rule 1 will give it an occasional such outing.  I like these half-cab panniers, more so than the saddle versions, sorry Mikkel!  I rather doubt the crews saw it my way; she must have been a right bag of nails in her declining years!

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On 18/01/2023 at 19:59, Dana Ashdown said:

How about Prime Pork, Weetabix and something else that I can't remember at the moment. If all goes well, there'll two for the London, Chatham & Dover/Souther Eastern & Chatham, and two for the Great Western. I have my original Prime Pork van, but I'm not sure whether to save it as is (for old times sake), or make it into something else — maybe even an NER refrigerator van!

 

Ha, I like that. Circular economy! I've always liked the prime pork van, I wonder if there is a prototype for it.

 

Somewhere I have a Wrenn Carr & Co. refridgerator van, maybe worth digging out to see what can be done with it.

 

 

On 18/01/2023 at 20:43, The Johnster said:

I have a Wills 1854 in need of tlc, given me by Philou of this very parish as ever is, bothering me in my 'get a round tuit one day' pile.  Needs a good bit of chopping about to remove the boiler/undertank skirts, and as my intended prototype (1740, last half-cab pannier at Tondu, wd September 1950) had fishbelly rods, a Baccy chassis will do the do.  It's predecessor was a Hornby 2721, worked up in the usual way with a Baccy 57xx chassis (now back under it's donor 57xx), whitemetal buffers, a chimney, dome, and safety valve cover that originated a very long time ago on a Westward 64xx, but quantum better than the Hornby items, real coal, and a messy attempt to move the centre splashers.  I could not get the Baccy chassis to sit under it without cutting a hole at the firehole doors for the worm to sit in.  I eventually gave up on it because I couldn't come to acceptable terms with the overlength bunker, made worse by the overhang; 1740 did not have this at Tondu. 

 

I think I remember your 2721 project with the Bachmann chassis. Yes the Bachmann motor does protude slightly into the cab. I put in a new backhead on my 1854 PT to conceal it, you don't notice it once it's in place. The cab floor is more of a compromise, the center part of the floor is slightly elevated to avoid fouling the gears. But once crewed up I forget it's even there.

 

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I like your chassis swopping, Johnster. The various variants of the good old Bachmann 57xx/8750 have been faithful servants in many 0-6-0 conversion projects, I think. My first use of one was under the old Lima 94xx body. Although on that one I didn't attempt moving the splashers to align, which eventually annoyed me and so the chassis was used for another project.

 

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On 01/01/2023 at 00:03, Mikkel said:

It's a pity really, as I like the simple workmanlike livery of the saddle tanks - which rarely had the insignia. 

The saddle tanks adhered to Brunel's statement over company initials, 'People know who we are'.

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Thanks very much S. I've had some good fun with this one already. And to my surprise it was not immediately announced in RTR!

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