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A Pannier of mixed parentage - GWR 1854 PT (2)


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My 1854 class open cab Pannier Tank in ca. 1919 condition is now done. To recap, it’s a heavily modified Hornby 2721 body on a Bachmann 8750 chassis, using modified Finecast parts, Finney/Brassmasters fittings and various scratchbuilt items.  Here is a summary of the last part of the build (see this post for earlier steps).

 

 

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The bunker uses modified Finecast sides. Plated coal rails from wire and styrene. DIY fire iron hooks, and lamp irons from a Brassmasters etch.

 

 

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Cab windows were given a profile using circles of styrene cut on my Silhouette. 

 

 

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The cab roof on the Hornby 2721 body was retained but sanded down, including the strips along the sides which make the roof look thick and the cab too high. New slimmer raintrips were added, following the pattern seen on the prototype.


 

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The cab was pragmatically detailed with various bits from the spares box and springs nests from Brassmasters as used in the Finney 1854PT kit.

 

 

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Splasher bands cut from styrene were added to the front splashers, which are the only ones retained from the original Hornby 2721 body. 

 

 

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Steam injector from Alan Gibson, IIRC. Center and rear splashers are from an old Finecast kit.

 

 

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The chimney from Brassmasters was then fitted, as used in the ex-Finney 1854 PT kit. Safety valve cover and bunker only loose fitted at this point, hence the lean.

 

 

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The dome lubricator is also from Brassmasters.

 

 

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Alan Gibson buffers, with white styrene for the square bit on top. Sand boxes are off a Mainline Dean Goods, I think.

 

 

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The lamp irons are from this neat little Finney/Brassmasters etch.

 

 

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This shot illustrates the ungodly mix of RTR components, whitemetal parts, finescale fittings, and scratchbuilt bits and pieces.

 

 

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All grey primer from a rattle can. 

 

 

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Then various filling and sanding, followed by Archer’s rivets which I find bond better when fitted on primer. Micro-Sol was later used to “melt” away the decal paper.

 

 

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Next a base coat of matt black, to add depth to the top coats.

 

 

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Top coat and two coats of varnish. Cab windows glazed with 4.4 mm circles of 0.25 mm clear styrene. Flat base safety valve bonnet is from the old Mainly Trains range, happily still available from 51L. 

 

 

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Medium handrail knobs and wire from Eileen’s Emporium, which sadly had to close shop recently. We owe suppliers like them a lot.

 

 

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Coaling with diluted PVA and a drop of detergent. The rush is sensational!

 

 

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Kernow MRC do a nice etch of fire irons. They are the long variety, so I shortened them and stuck the shafts behind the business end.

 

 

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Photos tend to show fire irons fitted with the rings around the left hand hook, presumably for easy reach by the fireman. Couldn’t find a decent bucket in my spares box, does anyone know a source for buckets that are actually hollow? 

 

 

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Loco lamps are from Modelu. These are actually tail lamps, but they’re what I had for now. This is the 1918-36 headlamp code for a class K ordinary goods. Must include some lenses with the next order.

 

 

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The number plates were purpose-made from Narrow Planet/Light Railway Stores. They are very good.

 

 

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Footplate crew also from Modelu. Both were too tall to go in the cab, so the driver’s legs were shortened while the fireman has a new set of legs off an Andrew Stadden figure. You can’t see their legs behind the cab sides anyway.

 

 

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That’s about it. Screw couplings are on order from Wizard Models.

 

 

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I like my locos clean, but I suppose I ought to give this one a light weathering?

 

 

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No. 1899 is part of a scheme to expand my Edwardian timeframe to allow occasional 1919 workings on my Farthing layouts. Allows me to build more goods stock from other companies, since it’s post-pooling.

 

 

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The main work done. No doubt someone will release a brand new RTR version shortly (@RapidoCorbs& Co. maybe?). But I enjoyed the process.

 

 

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And so at last I have an open cab pannier, 42 years after the Hornby 1980 catalogue triggered the itch with their 2721 class. 

 

Speaking of years, there's a new one looming. So I've dug out this old photo. Happy New Year!
 

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I'm making a bit of a mental list re exactly what I'm aiming to do with the assorted 2721 I have before things get any more disturbing on my thread. I already have Steropes on the back burner.

 

There's now been talk of how to build a model of Number 13.

 

It's all a little bit disquieting...

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2 minutes ago, MrWolf said:

I already have Steropes on the back burner.

Bring it on.👍🏻

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Excellent work Mikkel, definitely worth all the effort! Happy New Year to you and yours🙂

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19 hours ago, MikeOxon said:

It was the Hornby 2721 that set in train my movement into earlier time periods.  We all know that "the devil is in the detail" but you have tackled your demons very well and set an example to us all.  Sadly, my own models always seem to come to a halt after the basic outlines are completed and I always 'intend' to add details 'later'.  I admire your determination to see the job through 👏

Mike

 

Many thanks, Mike. Your innovative work in 3D printing BG models is more than enough for me, the details are no big issue I think.

 

Here's a closer look at the caption for the brand new 2721 in the Hornby 1980 catalogue. Was "matchboxes" really a widely used term?  I remember being intrigued by the listing of the tractive effort and weight, it reminded me of the car "Trumps" card games that we used to play at the time. Perhaps no coincidence.

 

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16 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

A superb model.

 

The use of a black undercoat is interesting. You say "top coat and two coats of varnish" - just a single coat of green? What paint and how applied?

 

Likewise, what varnish have you used?

 

Thank you Stephen. Despite trying out a variety of spray cans I have been unable to find a GWR green that I think fits the bill. So the loco is brush-painted (except the primer). It is my ambition to buy an airbrush within the next year or two. The brushpainting is always with the Vallejo Modelcolor range, using multiple thinned down coats. Here is the sequence:

 

- Two very light coats of grey primer from a spray can

- Two coats of black undercoat using thinned Vallejo Black 70.950 (or similar spray can)

- Three coats of green using thinned Vallejo Medium Olive 70.850 + Vallejo Black 70.950 in a ratio of 5:1

- Two coats of Vallejo Satin Varnish 70.522

 

 

15 hours ago, wenlock said:

Excellent work Mikkel, definitely worth all the effort! Happy New Year to you and yours🙂

 

Thanks Dave. And my apologies to the good folk at Sherton Abbas, I hope they are not too offended by this monstrosity with such bizarre tanks! 😀

 

 

15 hours ago, PMP said:

That’s a really nice conversion. In answer to your question regarding buckets, take a look at these https://albionyard.com/2013/01/31/buckets-of-nothing/

 

They are available from Hannants regularly.

 

Many thanks Paul, those buckets look very good. And they involve a bit of modelling too. Just the thing. They'll be my first order of the year.

 

 

13 hours ago, Captain Kernow said:

Mikkel - that is just spectacular!

 

 

Thank you Tim, I appreciate that. Fancy a P4 version? That would be the ultimate madness!

 

I did smile a bit whilst sticking Finney/Brassmasters bits on a 1980 Hornby loco body.

 

 

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40 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

Fancy a P4 version? That would be the ultimate madness!

If the loco concerned survived into the BR period and wore black livery, early crest and a smoke box number plate, I think I would definitely go for one, especially if a new RTR release that could be easily converted to P4, or perhaps a well-built and excellently-running kit that someone had advertised.

 

I would love to do my own conversion, of course, but it would be so far down the queue of other projects, that I don't know when (if ever), if would be completed!

 

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On 31/12/2022 at 08:42, Collett said:

Regarding the 'Great Western' insignia, I see on the Brassmaster's site that Lee Marsh's 7mm model of 1854 Class number 1888 (built Jan 1891, Lot 83, Aberdare shed in 1922) is not only sporting a 'Great Western' insignia but a garter crest along with a polished Dome and copper capped chimney.  And very smart she looks too.  Similarly, and back in the 304.8mm/ft scale, 850 Class 2012 is shown with 'Great Western and garter crest when posing with her shiny new pannier tanks in August 1910.  Can't tell whether the dome is au naturale.

 

 

Here as promised is a screen grab of the list I made of GWR tank locos that I've come across in my books with the full garter and lined livery. The list is not complete, especially when it comes to the 39xxs of which there are several other photos. 

 

The last 5 are pannier tanks. All are pre-WW1. Post-WW1 photos of panniers that I have seen all show just the simple "Great Western" insignia as on my 1854 PT (although I suppose it's theoretically possible that one or two of the originallly fully liveried locos could have survived without repaint through the war). It is still unclear to me how big a proportion of the early pannier  tanks were given the full livery treatment, and why. At some earlier point we debated possible explanations, e.g. station pilot duties - but nothing firm.

 

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2 hours ago, Mikkel said:

Was "matchboxes" really a widely used term?

It certainly was in the 50s

Most of the other spotters I knew called them "Matchbox Tanks"

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12 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

The last 5 are pannier tanks. Post-WW1 photos of panniers that I have seen all show just the simple "Great Western" insignia as on my 1854 PT (although I suppose it's theoretically possible that one or two of the originallly fully liveried locos could have survived without repaint through the war). It is still unclear to me how big a proportion of the early pannier  tanks were given the full livery treatment, and why. At some earlier point we debated possible explanations, e.g. station pilot duties - but nothing firm.

In "Great Western Way" It states that the first post WW1 livery was applied from 1921 with Just the words "Great <space> Western", in 1923 the garter grest was inserted in the space but never on tank engines, but they kept the spacing as if they had.

Prior to WW1 all repaints would be in the full livery with whatever crest/device was used, there is no mention of "Great <space> Western" being used before 1921

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Photos do show the simple unlined "Great Western" on panniers pre-1921 though. I'll take the liberty of embedding this image from http://www.gwr.org.uk/nopanniers.html:

 

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Caption: 1026, one of the first batch of the 1016 class, at Reading shed on 18 October 1919, shortly after being fitted with a Q class boiler and small pannier tanks [My addition: Panniers fitted June 1919].

 

Here's one from RCTS part 5, page E40:

 

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Caption: 1076 class 0-6-0T No. 748. As running in 1919. [My addition: Panniers fitted April 1919]

 

But whether the livery rules were hard and fast is another matter - both before and after WW1.

 

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It seems reasonably obvious that even if the engine didn't get a full repaint, the tanks would have been painted and lettered when fitted and not re-painted or re-lettered for a good few years afterwards.

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2 hours ago, Captain Kernow said:

If the loco concerned survived into the BR period and wore black livery, early crest and a smoke box number plate, I think I would definitely go for one,

 

Quite a few 1854s did make it past 1948, the last one going in 1951. It is possible a BR repaint occurred, but there's no record of any 1854 getting that treatment. I suspect all the survivors were wearing their last GWR body colour.

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On gwr.org.uk, I make the statement "The application of the crest to locos and tenders passing through the works was abandoned from 1916."

 

Not something I would have made up, so I must have got it from somewhere.

 

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Looks like the Great Western Way is far from complete in it's livery notes (latest edition as well)😞

 

 

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Mikkel.

That really is a rather lovely piece of work.

Well done!

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Many thanks Andrew.

 

This is the second 1854 class to join the roster at Farthing. No. 1897 was allocated there back in the early 1900s, sporting a saddle tank.

 

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On 31/12/2022 at 11:03, Mikkel said:

because you're so close now but which can drag on for ages because there are so many details, and where did I see that photo, and who was it that posted about this, and what book might have this info, etc. Isn't it wonderful! 😆

Yes, it is wonderful, I couldn't agree more. But what makes it even more wonderful is the way you present your modelling. It is always a treat Mikkel to be shown your latest project and marvel at how you achieved it. Happy New Year, and can't wait to see what you have planned next.

On another note, if you are still looking for empty buckets, I saw these at only 99p you might be able to use/adapt them?

https://www.westhillwagonworks.co.uk/workshop-depot-c-24/pack-of-6-buckets-p-230 

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Many thanks, Mark. I think 2023 will mostly be about buildings and coaches.

 

Thanks also for the bucket tip, I'll put them on my, er, bucket list!  There's some nice detailing stuff on the West Hill Wagon Works site, and some good humour too - I like the drivers with their legs up 😀. Nice whisky barrels too: https://www.westhillwagonworks.co.uk/town-and-country-c-19/assorted-whisky-barrels-pack-of-10-p-320

 

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Thank you Dana, also for all the button-pushing, very kind of you. I disagree about your own work though, your models are inspiring and excellent conversions, and probably done in much shorter time than this slightly irrational project!

 

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Absolutely fabulous Mikkel - Proper modelling that and love the step by step.

 

As always an engaging and inspirational read...great work!

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On 12/01/2023 at 02:40, Mikkel said:

your models are inspiring and excellent conversions, and probably done in much shorter time than this slightly irrational project!

Just wait and see my outside-framed vans, made from old Hornby NER refrigerator vans — now that's irrational!

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On 13/01/2023 at 21:58, bcnPete said:

Absolutely fabulous Mikkel - Proper modelling that and love the step by step.

 

As always an engaging and inspirational read...great work!

 

Many thanks Pete! Saddle tanks are my favourite but "a Pannier never offends", as they say over on the ANTB thread. At this time - 1919 - saddle tank 0-6-0s were in fact still the majority compared to pannier tank dittos on the GWR. But the tide was turning fast and within 3 years the panniers began to gradually outnumber the saddle tanks. This can be seen from Russ' very interesting data over on gwr.org.uk. Swindon must have been very busy at this time replacing tanks.

 

 

On 14/01/2023 at 17:16, Dana Ashdown said:

Just wait and see my outside-framed vans, made from old Hornby NER refrigerator vans — now that's irrational!

 

That sounds intriguing. I'm picturing a Coca Cola van morphing into an O/F GWR van! Something to look forward to.

 

 

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