jonhall

@Edge - can I just check if you know that @arran who posted immediately before you is I believe, one half of Realtrack, and consequently should know what they have/have not agreed to?

love the bogie wagons split across two transporter wagons! Jon

This shows the 760mm transporter wagons at Oshatz, which I think has quite a similarity with the L&M. http://www.tuff-tuff-eisenbahn.de/oschatz/oschatz10.htm Alas I'm away from my own photos of German transporter wagons. Jon

you also need to consider the gauge of the narrow gauge - the L&M was 2 ft 6 in (762 mm) but I'd guess the continental wagon you have shown as an example is probably meter gauge, so there is a bit more room on the L&M wagon to get the frames between the standard gauge wheelsets, which would allow the carried wagon to sit a bit lower. I think that the ONLY example of British transporter wagons was the L&M, and therefore you are only talking about 5-6 wagons total. Jon

its probably due to loading gauge restrictions on the Leek&Manifold that weren't present on the continental systems Jon

Thanks - looks like the warflat and warwell are different - its not the end of the world, as I can always work out the wheelbase from the diagrams - I still need to source some bogies for the job anyway. Jon

yes please - needs to be the version with the diamond bogies - I have the instructions for the modern airbrake GPS versions - its the bogie pivot bit I'm interested in Thanks Jon

Interfrigo was formed as a partnership of European rail companies in 1967, it was registered in Switzerland, but a number of national railways provided stock to the pool, and would have registered them 'at home', so an Italian or Belgian registered vehicle with a Swiss address is perfectly reasonable. This model pictured is a European loading gauge model, so wouldn't have been seen in the UK, but Interfrigo did own other types that were to UK gauge. I don't know how much Interfrigo wagons were pooled, but I'd suspect even if they weren't common user, an Italian van would be seen quite frequently in and passing through Switzerland (but not on the narrow gauge RhB Jon

I think this shows that quite well.

Clickbait - yes there are problems, but its a whole lot easier than he describes. Jon

No, not at all

Many Ferry vans were Vacuum fitted, not just vac piped, although this was mostly reduced to piped in later years. The SFV diagram book shows lots of different diagram numbers for these Italian vans, and the later issues started splitting up piped vs fitted with new diagram numbers, so it all gets a bit confusing, but I think its a fair bet that wagon was vac fitted at the time of the photo. Jon

definitely Italian insulated van, like the one on the left of this pair

https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/bid-submitted-to-upgrade-rail-link-in-sutton-45052/ gives a little background. I think there are several things combining here to make the case. 1) single track gives little recovery time for service perturbations - once a service is late arriving on the branch, its almost certainly going to return to 'the mainline' late - therefore abandoning a service is often seen as easier than importing a delay onto a much busier trunk route. 2) there are lots of people who will need to get to the Royal Marsden outstation there from all over Southern London (I've taken my Mum there a couple of times in the last 3 years) and making that easier and more reliable isn't a bad thing. 3) Having somewhere with the capacity to start or turn-back trains is useful in increasing the frequency of urban/suburban trains closer into London, so you can increase the density of trains run, but don't 'clutter up' Sutton's Platforms whilst crews change ends, the train can continue to Epsom to do a reversal in a quieter location. I live near the Hampton Court branch, which for many years we a conventional two track brank served from a flyover, which meant trains could only access it from the down slow, and return to Surbiton on the up slow, a couple of decades ago now a link was added to allow trains to use the down line into a newly-reversable platform 4 at Surbiton, the locals being very up in arms about this, fearing that it would result in a loss of direct trains to London, but it actually allows in times of perturbation, for a train to be sent down to the branch and shuttle to and fro, which probably reduces the number of occasions when the service is removed altogether. jon

I'm sure the railway runs better like that, but a reliable service that still doesn't get the paying passenger to his or her destination is little better than nothing at all. Jon

ANY positive number would make them more profitable than Hornby? Jon

I've just re-started building my Genesis warwell, I have the type with modern GPC bogies, but need to fit unmodernised diamond frame bogies, and this leaves me with a dilemma, the instructions imply that the bogie centers on the GPS type are wider than the earlier version, and that the bogie pivot castings would be modified for the earlier types - would they have been fitted the other way around, or is the grove in the casting to be cut along? If anyone has a set of the diamond frame bogies they might wish to part with I'd also be interested, I've got plenty of ratio plastic bogies, but the weight I'm going to put on this wagon is above what I think sensible for plastic. Thanks Jon

I was thinking of visiting, but Kernow seem to have chosen the most difficult shop to find free parking near in the entire of Southern England! So I might not bother. Jon

You might regret it... Southwark Bridge models do a very detailed vintage bike, but they have a reputation as being not for the faint hearted! https://www.roxeymouldings.co.uk/product/916/sbm7075-singer-gent-s-bike-of-1890-2/ https://www.roxeymouldings.co.uk/product/917/sbm7078-gggranville-s-delivery-bike-1/

are you sure you are looking in the right place, because my Google Earth suggests 'yes'

If you say so - I think you told me they were Italian! jon

The fertiliser wagon isn't even Y25's, its the same bogie that Lima used when first released 30-odd years ago, that someone told me was from a 1930's Italian coach. Jon

Hmm, cobblers, anyway, since I was slightly worried that the Hornby mag photos showed the two sides of different wagons, I wasn't totally confident that it wasn't early leaf spring one side, and Bruninghaus (sp?) spring on the other, so I'd regard having both sides with the same spring as a result. Jon

interestingly the Hornby magazine photos also show both original and re-sprung versions, so hopefully both are on their way. Jon

I notice they didn't! Jon