south_tyne Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 It can pull wagons too ... and they did so for the majority of their working lives. The passenger service was a minor aspect of the W&U operation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_tyne Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Just out of curiosity (or perhaps trying to justify one in my own mind) were there any similar tram engines to be found on other railways or light railways? Cheers, David Just use 'rule 1'- if you don't want to do the W&U or use the J70 in an Yarmouth/Ipswich docks setting, then you can invent your own tramway/light railway... you know you want one 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Just out of curiosity (or perhaps trying to justify one in my own mind) were there any similar tram engines to be found on other railways or light railways? Cheers, David Not many. They were far more common on the Continent, especially in France and Belgium. British railways were more likely to be fenced so they didn't need the skirts and cowcatchers. The most recognisable ones are from the Wisbech and Upwell. The Y6 and J70, the Sentinel Y10 and the diesel classes that replaced them. Y10 https://www.lner.info/locos/Y/y10.php There was also the Glyn Valley Tramway. Although that was narrow gauge. There were quite a few built to replace horses on street tramways in towns and cities. But they didn't last long as most were electrified pretty quickly. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 Just out of curiosity (or perhaps trying to justify one in my own mind) were there any similar tram engines to be found on other railways or light railways? Cheers, David The J70s worked in the GER docks, too, notably Ipswich, I believe. I don't know of anything similar to the J70 in appearance but there were certainly other skirted tram locos - the Bideford, Westward Ho! and Appledore Hunslet 2-4-2Ts, for instance. (CJL) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillH Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Just out of curiosity (or perhaps trying to justify one in my own mind) were there any similar tram engines to be found on other railways or light railways? Cheers, David During the war a couple of J70s were loaned to the Wissington light railway. As well as the W&U and Ipswich and Yarmouth as already mentioned J70s were also allocated to Colchester, (for working the Hythe quaysides and gasworks tramway) from the 30s until the final one (68226) was withdrawn in 1955. At various times they were also based at: Cambridge Norwich Stratford March Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulG Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Unfortunately for me the coach will make all the difference, otherwise it's just another lovely pre-grouping liveried loco without anything to pull! Passenger services were withdrawn on the W&U 2 January 1928 and the carriages moved to the Kelvedon & Tollesbury branch. The first J70s went to Ipswich and Yarmouth Vauxall to work the dock lines. Wisbech lost its allocation when diesels took over in 1953. Colchester had a single allocation to work Hythe Quay, which was the last of the class (68226) and interestingly, some photos taken at Colchester in BR days show members of the class with side skirts and in other photos, without. However, for the majority of the class and working life of the class, they pulled wagons, not carriages. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 It's a pity that the D & S kits aren't still available. They would probably sell a few on the back of this model. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Have you asked Dan Pinnock whether they are available? They were only on his production list last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I got some at Warley the year before from a stand in the Finescale village. Apparently D&S produce a run of kits for them every year...they had the W&U coaches and a breakdown crane. Production varied each year I was told. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 That's interesting to know. I thought that he had totally finished and the kits were either in other ranges or no longer available. I take it that's still the Wallington, near Baldock address? I don't want to put the full address down in case it's wrong. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 His address is unchanged, but make sure you enclose an SAE. He does one or two 4mm lists a year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synch Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Passenger services were withdrawn on the W&U 2 January 1928 and the carriages moved to the Kelvedon & Tollesbury branch. The first J70s went to Ipswich and Yarmouth Vauxall to work the dock lines. Wisbech lost its allocation when diesels took over in 1953. Colchester had a single allocation to work Hythe Quay, which was the last of the class (68226) and interestingly, some photos taken at Colchester in BR days show members of the class with side skirts and in other photos, without. However, for the majority of the class and working life of the class, they pulled wagons, not carriages. Paul And I realize this My point is it would be nice having the coach with it, especially as I'd have built a kit by now if the D&S ones didn't go for a fortune every time they came up second hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted April 4, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2017 And I realize this My point is it would be nice having the coach with it, especially as I'd have built a kit by now if the D&S ones didn't go for a fortune every time they came up second hand. simonbrblue is working on a 3d printed one at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) But I don't want a BR blue one... ;-) Edited April 4, 2017 by Talltim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted April 4, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2017 wheeeeeey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTTODDY Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 I didn't know that D&S produced the J70 in the good old days. I have one of their Y6s and a lovely model it is too. Powered by a Tenshodo spud it's a great runner, but I've never load tested it to stall, but it handles a reasonable load of vans/wagons. I would expect the J70 with 6-wheel coupled chassis and some ballast it should out haul the Y6 and so it should, just like the real thing! Tod Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 It is apty it is thought the coach would be too expensive. Granted it would only be of limited use, but in original GER livery, in a set it could easily get people buying at what most would consider too expensive. Sometimes think we are aimng too low, and should be prepared to go for an even better level. Granted I am not the one funding it. At least it means I now won't be tempted, especially as I now have my own 3D printed design for a Y6(easy to do a J70 as well), and both the coaches, initially done in HO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Seeing the price that the Dynamometer Car is I can see why they were cautious over the coach. I'm not going to debate prices, but I can see quite a few that would complain if they were going to charge about £125 for the coach. Which is what I expected. I'm still going to try the D&S route and if I can't get one then I've got the drawings somewhere. One of the MRC Annuals I think it was. I'm still up for at least one of the locomotives though. Definitely an early BR and possibly a GER one. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_tyne Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is there an update on the project in the latest edition of Model Rail? I haven't managed to see a copy... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_tyne Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 . I'm not going to debate prices, but I can see quite a few that would complain if they were going to charge about £125 for the coach. Which is what I expected. Agreed. It would be a nice luxury in an ideal world but it's not a must have from my point of view. Especially as the tram loco us going to be expensive itself. I know prices haven't been discussed but, given the specialist subject and design, I wouldn't anticipate much change out of £200. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted April 15, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 15, 2017 Is there an update on the project in the latest edition of Model Rail? I haven't managed to see a copy... Initial drawings completed, onto CADs next. Confirmed with and without side plates. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_tyne Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Initial drawings completed, onto CADs next. Confirmed with and without side plates. Thanks that's really useful. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 The 'J70s' are coming! You'll need the August Model Rail, published June 29, to find out more. (CJL) 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Midland Mole Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) The 'J70s' are coming! You'll need the August Model Rail, published June 29, to find out more. (CJL) - Alex Edited June 19, 2017 by Midland Mole 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 August in June? Where's the year going? As long as there's one that fits in with my recently purchased early BR livery J15 then I'll be happy. An ex GER branch line may be on the cards in the future. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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