Penlan Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Please do not add anything more to this thread unless it is a deadly serious piece of information (or a request for the same) about the railways of these isles in the years prior to A.D. 1923. I'm not sure what you mean by A.D., though it may be one of those American adaptations of a generally accepted European acronym, AD. To be pedantic, if your referring to anno Domini, the correct acronym is AD. In the current PC era it may be better to use the acronym CE. I suppose if you must use the acronym A.D., then surely you would be referring to 'railroads', a term common in America. I'm sure another pedant will inform us that the term 'railroad' was in use in the UK in the Victorian era also Edited September 13, 2017 by Penlan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I'm sure another pedant will inform us that the term 'railroad' was in use in the UK in the Victorian era also It was. Railway was used in America too. Please note lack of exclamation marks and emoticons in my reply, signifying a serious post. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Could we go technical and use Archaeological dating terminology, which would remove any PC or Non PC debate, Before Present. ie 1923 becomes 94BP as this date can be calculated using C14 radio carbon dating Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) But "BP" refers to a reference date of 1950, so 1923 is 27BP. Edited September 13, 2017 by petethemole Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 Oh, please! Can we not get onto something practical, like the proper interpretation of "Indian Red"? Now that is a good example of what I thought this thread would be about. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Ok, so I learnt on Sunday that Great Western had one standard colour pallette which never changed however the look of the stock did because it was the varnish used that resulted in the final finish - 1864 GWR coaches were chocolate and white not chocolate and cream - it was the varnish that made the white paint look cream but by the time they sorted out a varnish that didn't taint the finish they had a defacto chocolate and cream branding and had to stick with it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Rixon Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Ok, so I learnt on Sunday that Great Western had one standard colour pallette which never changed however the look of the stock did because it was the varnish used that resulted in the final finish - 1864 GWR coaches were chocolate and white not chocolate and cream - it was the varnish that made the white paint look cream but by the time they sorted out a varnish that didn't taint the finish they had a defacto chocolate and cream branding and had to stick with it. Specifically (I speculate), the chocolate and tainted white came before the crimson lake era and chocolate and deliberately-not-white came after. I remember one commentator describing the GWR coaches as "a very dark cream, almost primrose" and this would be the later colour. So (pedantically), I suggest that the light colour of the pallette did change. Any guesses as to which colour the commercial paints match? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKPR Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 A Jones goods may be pre grouping but it certainly isn't French! I have a vague memory of a Dennis Allenden article in MR about the, ermm, French version of the Jones Goods... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 13, 2017 The French version was of the later HR Castle engines, fifty built for the Etat in 1912. Article in Model Railways for July 1975. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Miles Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Oh, please! Can we not get onto something practical, like the proper interpretation of "Indian Red"? Now that is a good example of what I thought this thread would be about. So why not start a new subject on the proper interpretation of Indian Red? The you can chunter on to your heart's content while this thread goes its own anarchic way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 Yes, well, quite, having started this thread it's obviously only right that I should have no say in how it develops. I give up. Do your worst. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 So why not start a new subject on the proper interpretation of Indian Red? The you can chunter on to your heart's content while this thread goes its own anarchic way. Which company's interpretation of "Indian Red" are we talking about? Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Which company's interpretation of "Indian Red" are we talking about? Marc As Indian Red was derived from the iron oxides in the red laterite soils of the sub-continent, and was available as such from Artists' Colourmen in the C19, it should have been the same for all companies; I doubt it was though. Wiki gives hexadecimal CD5C5C and RGB reference 205, 92, 92 – what this is in terms of a Munsell chart I've no idea. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) So why not start a new subject on the proper interpretation of Indian Red? The you can chunter on to your heart's content while this thread goes its own anarchic way. But John, you have no interest in colour, your colour blind Why John, when I'm trying to concentrate applying some complex PowSides, do people in this house keep coming up to me and ask needless questions. They shout as well, when I refuse to acknowledge they are there, mainly because I can't hear them - I'm deaf i'sh ! ! ! - and another bit of a PowSide goes astray... Time for the dog to take me down to 'The Legion', I think Edited September 13, 2017 by Penlan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) PS. The PowSides I'm doing are circa., 1900, so I believe comes within the pre-group broad breadth of this topic. Edited September 13, 2017 by Penlan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 It was. Railway was used in America too. ...and still is. The giant BNSF is officially the BNSF Railway. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 ...and still is. The giant BNSF is officially the BNSF Railway. We're not interested in what still is here . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 13, 2017 PS. The PowSides I'm doing are circa., 1900, so I believe comes within the pre-group broad breadth of this topic. ... so you're applying them to nice little RCH 1887 spec 8 and 10 ton wagons, one trusts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 ...and still is. The giant BNSF is officially the BNSF Railway. We're not interested in what still is here . Well as the USA never had a Grouping or Nationalisation or Sectorisation or Privatisation, I claim my US-outline modelling also counts as "Pre Grouping". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Could we go technical and use Archaeological dating terminology, which would remove any PC or Non PC debate, Before Present. ie 1923 becomes 94BP as this date can be calculated using C14 radio carbon dating Marc Does that mean that every Hogmanay (00:00 GMT on 1st January for the pedants) we have to change it by adding 1 year, so that in 2018 it becomes 95BP and so on? Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 13, 2017 Dunno about that, the Soo line was grouped with the DSSA and the central wis., and went on calling itself the Soo line. So are you modelling the pregroup Soo or the post group Soo, and what does the CPR think about it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 To go on to a serious, if slightly trivial, subject, why were some wagons not wagons but trucks? Was it because they were passenger rated, e.g. fish trucks and carriage trucks? If so, why do we get cattle trucks, which weren't always even fitted with continuous brakes? To be fair, the CR did call them cattle wagons. Curious of Biggar 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) ... so you're applying them to nice little RCH 1887 spec 8 and 10 ton wagons, one trusts. Yes, of course They are 14' 11" over headstocks, 5 plank, 10 ton end door wagons, built by Stableford & Co. of Colville in 1896. I have the original wagon plates. I should imagine they where registered to the Mid Rly, but the registration plates were missing. The real wagon remains were 'found' in the Swansea Valley way back in the mid 1970's. I scratch built these (4mm) wagons way back in 1975, they've just come to the top of the pile for jobs to be finished. Although I have some earlier dumb buffered wagons with 5 link coupling chains, these are to be fitted with the normal 3 link chains. The wagons had been sold on - in my imaginary 4mm world - to one of the Swansea area Collieries, which of course relates to the real world of where the wagon remains were found. Edited September 13, 2017 by Penlan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 So why not start a new subject on the proper interpretation of Indian Red? i think there are approximately 57 existing threads on the subject... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 13, 2017 i think there are approximately 57 existing threads on the subject... ... and those are only the Great Western-related ones. Other companies used a colour of this name too - generally for frames and valances. Did manufacture of the pigment actually depend on minerals imported from India or were there local substitutes? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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