Bob Reid Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 49 minutes ago, HullCityB17 said: Well both you and DJM have never seen an APT-P then as the 3D print he is holding is clearly wrong as there is one obvious error. He is probably hiding another by his right hand. If say that as why hold it if there wasn't something wrong that he was trying to hide? Why not sit it on a flat surface to photograph it? He must have added a door where there shouldn't have been one. If so, have can errors occur when it was supposed to be scanned! Give the guy a break - that's not a door you are seeing it's the small bodylight that should be there - he's applied black paint / panels to represent the locations. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted February 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 24, 2019 56 minutes ago, HullCityB17 said: Well both you and DJM have never seen an APT-P then as the 3D print he is holding is clearly wrong as there is one obvious error. He is probably hiding another by his right hand. If say that as why hold it if there wasn't something wrong that he was trying to hide? Why not sit it on a flat surface to photograph it? He must have added a door where there shouldn't have been one. If so, have can errors occur when it was supposed to be scanned! If you believed they put a man on the moon, man on the moon If you believe there's nothing up his sleeve, then nothing is cool Cheers Darius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted February 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 24, 2019 58 minutes ago, HullCityB17 said: Well both you and DJM have never seen an APT-P then as the 3D print he is holding is clearly wrong as there is one obvious error. He is probably hiding another by his right hand. If say that as why hold it if there wasn't something wrong that he was trying to hide? Why not sit it on a flat surface to photograph it? He must have added a door where there shouldn't have been one. If so, have can errors occur when it was supposed to be scanned! The two word reply I am tempted to make would get me banned from RMweb. As Bob Reid said, give the man a break . Take your unfounded conspiracy theories elsewhere. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HullCityB17 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 36 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said: The two word reply I am tempted to make would get me banned from RMweb. As Bob Reid said, give the man a break . Take your unfounded conspiracy theories elsewhere. Well ill ignorance is bliss... & fools and their money...! it is not my fault you can't see the obvious. It doesn't take make searching the Internet to see that the small window by the drivers door is clearly wrong! It should not be vertical, it should be angled. Also, the grilles look more like Windows on the 3D scan. T 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HullCityB17 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 38 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said: The two word reply I am tempted to make would get me banned from RMweb. As Bob Reid said, give the man a break . Take your unfounded conspiracy theories elsewhere. I bet you would say that about Nick Leeson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, HullCityB17 said: Well ill ignorance is bliss... & fools and their money...! it is not my fault you can't see the obvious. It doesn't take make searching the Internet to see that the small window by the drivers door is clearly wrong! It should not be vertical, it should be angled. Also, the grilles look more like Windows on the 3D scan. T Apologies to Phil Parker for Ba$trd1$ing his image..... Edited February 24, 2019 by Bob Reid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HullCityB17 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Bob Reid said: The one to the left of the main grill.. Or should that be grille? Basically the smaller vertical one. If I wasn't using a tablet I could highlight using snag-it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, HullCityB17 said: The one to the left of the main grill.. Or should that be grille? Basically the smaller vertical one. Destination blind? Regards, John Isherwood. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 You're tying yourself up in knots here - the image Phil Parker took, is a 3D print too which DJ has added painted panels to represent some of the features whether they are bodylights doors or grilles. Nothing is missing or at face value in the wrong place and certainly not the extra door you claimed originally. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HullCityB17 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Manged to crop picture.. Possibly destination blind window? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philou Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Erm ..... I've never seen an APT either, and I'm not in the market (yet) for one, but I would suggest that the driver's door window is a tad high, the top of which ought to be in line with the tops of the grilles as per the colour photograph. In any case the door frame is much thicker above the window in the photo than on the model. Cheers, Philip 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig85 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 41 minutes ago, Bob Reid said: Apologies to Phil Parker for Ba$trd1$ing his image..... Looking at the 3D printed APT-P it looks like the the destination blind window is a little bit to far away from the grille on the right, but it could just be the angle of the photo of the prototype. But I'm sure it will be something that if is wrong will be sorted before production. Craig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John ks Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 If you mean the destination blind window, the one above the unit number it looks fairly vertical to me As for Philou comment regarding the door window I tend to agree. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HullCityB17 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 I see your point about the destination blind. The picture I got off the net "could" have been taken whilst tilt mode was active. However, Philou's comment about the door window needs addressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 58 minutes ago, HullCityB17 said: The picture I got off the net "could" have been taken whilst tilt mode was active. But you were so unequivocal and definite in your absolute belief in your assertions. 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted February 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24, 2019 Having not looked at this thread for a while, I was a little taken aback by the first post on this page, and wondered what the fuss was about. I went to the previous page, and spent a minute or two looking, and couldn't see anything that obvious, but clearly I must have been missing something as the "3D print is clearly wrong" and there's an "obvious" error. It wasn't til I read @Philou's comment that I saw the door window looks a tad high. I'm still looking for the "obvious error" with the "window by the driver's door" - the only window I can see by the driver's door is the definitely not vertical cab side window... I'm sure there's a degree of justification for the frustration with DJM's slow progress, but it's a bit worrying that someone can jump in and slate it, yet seems to have difficulty distinguising "vertical" from "on a slope and viewed from an angle" on a picture where it's actually pretty clear - for context of what is vertical, it's easy to compare it to the cab door and the tiny bit of saloon window visible in the picture you yourself showed. Maybe wind your neck in a little bit, and ease of the "ignorance" and "fools" comments, the only one you've proved to be both ignorant and a fool in your haste is yourself, and as someone who also couldn't see your "obvious" "error", I find your tone as offensive as I'm sure those it was directed at did. This is a friendly forum, there's no need for it. 4 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, HullCityB17 said: I see your point about the destination blind. The picture I got off the net "could" have been taken whilst tilt mode was active. However, Philou's comment about the door window needs addressing. But surely that is why Dave has received and shared the 3D print. It is effectively a touchy feely 3D print of the CAD and its sole purpose is to be "ripped apart". You need to save you spleen venting until Dave has cut tooling metal I reckon. Edited February 24, 2019 by Covkid typo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted February 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2019 7 hours ago, HullCityB17 said: I see your point about the destination blind. The picture I got off the net "could" have been taken whilst tilt mode was active. However, Philou's comment about the door window needs addressing. Your inability to understand perspective and angled surfaces aside, the door window issue may be due to an errant brush stroke in filling the window locations with black paint rather than something more sinister. The phrase “clutching at straws” springs to mind here. Darius 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Regarding the grille nearest to the driver's door which sits entirely inside the red swoosh: On the model it looks like a parallelogram. The real one looks slightly wider at the top than the bottom & the red swoosh follows this, also being wider at the top. I wonder is this was deemed an error & 'corrected' when turning the 3D scan into artwork, or maybe how the grille has been painted to show it in the proof print? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 8 hours ago, Covkid said: But surely that is why Dave has received and shared the 3D print. It is effectively a touchy feely 3D print of the CAD and its sole purpose is to be "ripped apart". You need to save you spleen venting until Dave has cut tooling metal I reckon. There are two purposes for sharing the 3d print, the first is advertising - in Dave's case its probably advertising there is progress, not just talk. The more useful purpose is to 'crowdfund' your QA inspection of the design, so that any errors that he hasn't noticed might get picked up - there isn't much point slagging it off on here - feedback direct to Dave is whats required. Once metal has been cut for the moulds its too late, the cost is sunk with the mould. After that it can be critiqued so that others can make an informed decision about buying it, but its very unlikely that any meaningful change will occur. Jon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 44 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said: Regarding the grille nearest to the driver's door which sits entirely inside the red swoosh: On the model it looks like a parallelogram. The real one looks slightly wider at the top than the bottom & the red swoosh follows this, also being wider at the top. I wonder is this was deemed an error & 'corrected' when turning the 3D scan into artwork, or maybe how the grille has been painted to show it in the proof print? Yes, i noticed that. To be fair to Dave, I couldn't distinguish on his 3d print whether the grilles have been moulded/printed or whether he'd just painted a smooth side black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike B Posted February 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) There's another slight error to my eyes too - but this could just be down to the paint on the 3D print highlighting the grills and windows. The grill nearest the drivers door gets wider towards the top - the one on the 3D print looks like its width remains parallel which is odd because on the CAD drawing it's correct. That's a constructive criticism which may help to iron out any little errors! Edited February 25, 2019 by scoobyra 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Mac Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, HullCityB17 said: Well both you and DJM have never seen an APT-P then as the 3D print he is holding is clearly wrong as there is one obvious error. He is probably hiding another by his right hand. If say that as why hold it if there wasn't something wrong that he was trying to hide? Why not sit it on a flat surface to photograph it? He must have added a door where there shouldn't have been one. If so, have can errors occur when it was supposed to be scanned! I’d suggest you do some proper research before you post anything else on the subject..... Constructive criticism put in a positive manner is always appreciated.... making things up isn’t... Edited February 25, 2019 by Andy Mac Tidy up! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted February 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2019 I know Dave doesn't post here any more but I do hope he reads this thread. In among the negative posts there is some constructive criticism but no indication that those making constructive remarks are communicating to Dave's e mail. Even a one line post from Dave to confirm he is still on RMweb would be reassuring. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philou Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Ah .... no, I haven't sent anything to Dave regarding the possible slight discrepancy with the height of the driver's door window. As I haven't really been following this thread I haven't had need to think about communicating with Dave. Do you have an address for him? Cheers, Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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