cctransuk Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Not that old urban myth again. BR green was a set shade. There was no variation and it wasn't mixed in a big bath tub by an old bloke that had been on the ale the night before.... Any deviation on colour would have been a sacking offence and by the 1950s most paint was being bought in from the paint manufacturers anyway. Jason EXACTLY !!!! Any two locos painted / repainted in BR loco green were clearly the same colour when viewed in close proximity. I know this as an attendee at BR works open days / works visits throughout the early / mid 1960s. At both Derby and Swindon loco works I saw, side by side or end to end, brand new diesel locos and overhauled / repainted steam locos. The former were unlined, whereas most, but not all of the latter were lined orange / black / orange. Though the lining did affect the perception of the shade of green, close inspection showed that there was no actual difference whatsoever. Clearly, in service green locos varied hugely in appearance, BUT THIS WAS ENTIRELY DUE TO THE EFFECTS OF TIME AND WEATHERING. To represent the prototype, all model green BR locos should emerge from the factory in the same, (easily correctly specified), shade of green - as per the real thing. If the ultimate aim is a faded, workworn loco due for shopping, this can be achieved by weathering the model. I would repeat - there can be no justification for issuing models in fictitious shades of green. CJI. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 15 hours ago, cctransuk said: I would repeat - there can be no justification for issuing models in fictitious shades of green. Absolutely right! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 5, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) On 04/01/2022 at 18:56, cctransuk said: I would repeat - there can be no justification for issuing models in fictitious shades of green. I’ll rise to your challenge, history always provides exceptions… in 1989 the wrong shade of Green was used in 7828 Odney Manors first overhaul, it ran for at least 3-4 years in what I can only describe as a Hornby shade of GWR green. its not unique to the GWR either… and this is certainly Red… if preservation cant get the livery right, what chance a model company of full time CAD or Graphic designers who may or may not have an enthusiast background, or any railway history. of course true fiction…. Anything is possible. Edited January 5, 2022 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 5, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) But, in this day and age, paint codes that are generally accepted to be authentic are known to established enthusiast bodies (LMS Society etc) and paint manufacturers. Neither treat them as trade secrets, and anybody who cares enough can access them. All that said, if (like me) you accept the principle of "scale colour" then a shade that indisputably is correct, and looks perfect on a full-size vehicle, can look anything but when reduced to 1:76th scale. I refer the jury to BR(S) coach green(s). Bachmann did a pale version that looked much closer than it really was, and a dead-right one that looked far too dark. Hornby use a shade that is somewhere in between, but which most of us find acceptable even if we don't consider it to be quite "there". I worry slightly in what shade the new Bachmann Bulleids will emerge. Hopefully they won't be too proud to use a third shade closer to Hornby's John Edited January 5, 2022 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: I’ll rise to your challenge, history always provides exceptions ..... Some of the crimes that were perpetrated in the name of preservation are best forgotten!!!! CJI. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerzilla Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Odd that they've chosen 864 for the malachite LN, since the Bachmann split chassis one, available NOS or barely used for £50, is the same example. I'm sure it's better than the Bachmann one, but not four times better. Mine runs very nicely. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opelsi Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Would love 850 in SR Malachite (maybe as an NRM special)! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 7, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2022 On 05/07/2022 at 16:17, rogerzilla said: Odd that they've chosen 864 for the malachite LN, since the Bachmann split chassis one, available NOS or barely used for £50, is the same example. I'm sure it's better than the Bachmann one, but not four times better. Mine runs very nicely. Of course the minute you take delivery of your new £200 loco a big chunk of the cost has vanished, so its not 4 times more at the same point in it's life cycle. Anyway 864 is actually just over £150 from some of the box shifters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) On 07/07/2022 at 21:51, Opelsi said: Would love 850 in SR Malachite (maybe as an NRM special)! We really are getting into a hornets' nest with that preserved livery .......... the malachite green was authentic but why, oh why did they put Maunsell-era insignia on it ! Edited July 14, 2022 by Wickham Green too spilling 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuffed 1 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) Notice that the next Nelson is Sir Walter Raleigh in Southern and early BR liveries. An odd choice for the latter as it received a MN chimney in January 1956 and the long boiler two years later (and late crest two years after that). So unless it has a unique chimney and the unique long boiler it’s only accurate for 1952-5 inclusive. Edited April 21, 2023 by Chuffed 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted April 21, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 21, 2023 It's a damn fine model. Wish they would just produce a couple more decent BR late50s and early 60s versions for variety. I'd pay a bit extra for s Special Edition. Phil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 On 21/04/2023 at 17:26, Chuffed 1 said: Notice that the next Nelson is Sir Walter Raleigh in Southern and early BR liveries. An odd choice for the latter as it received a MN chimney in January 1956 and the long boiler two years later (and late crest two years after that). So unless it has a unique chimney and the unique long boiler it’s only accurate for 1952-5 inclusive. And? They've released models of Flying Scotsman that are only relevant for a few weeks whilst it was on display in Wembley. The new Channel Packet was also in the livery of the model for a very short time and is now "sold out" I believe. ISTR that the cast numberplates were removed as they were too heavy. https://uk.Hornby.com/products/sr-merchant-navy-class-4-6-2-21c1-channel-packet-era-3-r3434 So they can only release models if the loco lasted years in the same livery? What a bizarre idea. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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