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8 hours ago, SouthernMafia said:

Excellent video from Hattons. Also pleased to see it looks like the GBRf orange has been corrected on 66705 to a more prototypical colour.

 

Sounds from Biffo are excellent as are the lighting control. 

One query, function 14 doing the radar hiss, is there a way to make this happen randomly rather than having to select the function each time? Or is the chip clever enough to remember that it's on and will leave it on.

Certainly on NCE gear, when you go to select another loco if it's not in your recall stack (of which there's only 6 spaces) all the functions return to off, rather annoying.

 

Edit - same query for the random reving up that's going to happen every 2 minutes, doesn't mention which function key but again can CVs be tweaked so it happens automatically?

 

I think Ian said with the function on the hiss will occur every 45 seconds.. As per the prototype..? 

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It only hisses when the loco is in direction and there is no fixed time between them 

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1 hour ago, Craig1989 said:

Am I right in thinking that the 66 with sound will come with a em2 fitted? 

I thought it was the class 88’s that inherited EM2 names ?

:-)

 

 

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50 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

I thought it was the class 88’s that inherited EM2 names ?

:-)

 

 

I meant speaker 

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Possibly one for a new thread -

 

Having watched the Hattons YouTube video there are so many possible pitfalls. It would be helpful if someone who does know can post a table of which of the many sound variants available in the sounds package are on which actual loco' so that the less knowledgable amongst us about Class 66s don't commit howlers. For example I have no idea what a Spirax(?) valve even does so have no idea which option 66957 has on it nor, as it is a Freightliner loco, whether it has the non-standard horns.

 

Weathering and details can be gleaned from the many on-line photos but not the sounds.

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Great video on the new Hatton's class 66 and sound files - the attention to detail is almost overwhelming

The recent additional models to the range are most welcome - particularly the Royal Scotsman 66's
I can't help thinking that the big omission in the range are the new DB repaints with the large DB logo - a good one to do would be 66100 Armistice 100
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On 09/11/2019 at 18:31, Marcoblanco said:

 

I think Ian said with the function on the hiss will occur every 45 seconds.. As per the prototype..? 

 

Yes, but I took from the video that you have to turn the function on, it won't do it automatically (which is a shame)

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49 minutes ago, SouthernMafia said:

 

Yes, but I took from the video that you have to turn the function on, it won't do it automatically (which is a shame)

It means though, that you have a choice, which is good.

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I believe the softer sounding horns are fitted to the 5 door low emission locos. I've definitely heard DRS and GB machines with them, and older Freightliner machines with the standard horn. There may be some late 4 door locos with these horns, but I can't confirm. 

The 5 door locos are 66582 upwards, 623 upwards, 66951 upwards, 66718 - 779 (with a few exceptions), 66411 upwards and 66301-305

 

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On 09/11/2019 at 10:14, SouthernMafia said:

 

Certainly on NCE gear, when you go to select another loco if it's not in your recall stack (of which there's only 6 spaces) all the functions return to off, rather annoying.

 

True for PowerPro.

Switchable for PowerCab v1.28b & above but not the default behaviour.

I don't think it has been documented very well though.

 

Try the following.

 

Press ESC on the throttle until SET COMMAND STATION appears.

Press ENTER to accept the current settings for each of the options displayed.

After SYSTEM RESET you should see SELECT LOCO REFRESH. Options are Y=1 & N=0.

The default setting of 1 switches everything to off when a loco is selected.

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13 hours ago, john new said:

For example I have no idea what a Spirax(?) valve even does so have no idea which option 66957 has on it nor, as it is a Freightliner loco, whether it has the non-standard horns.

 

Weathering and details can be gleaned from the many on-line photos but not the sounds.

Ian explains the spirax valve in the video.

It allows moisture to escape from the compressed air system & makes a metallic knocking sound as it does so. It can briefly open fairly regularly every few seconds, lasing for hours or even days after the loco has been powered down.

Not everyone will have heard the horns on a 66, so just choose what you think sounds more correct.

If I have heard them I have not noticed what they sound like. I will therefore choose whichever one sounds right to me, then if I do hear them in future, I can change them if required, presumably by changing a CV.

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13 hours ago, SouthernMafia said:

 

Yes, but I took from the video that you have to turn the function on, it won't do it automatically (which is a shame)

I prefer this to be switchable. It allows you to be in control.

 

A while back, I spoke to Biff about operating the compressor on an EPB at regular/random intervals rather than to switch it in manually.

He explained that he could easily add this as a random sound, but it made the compressor cut in at times when it just didn't sound right.

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19 hours ago, Steadfast said:

I believe the softer sounding horns are fitted to the 5 door low emission locos. I've definitely heard DRS and GB machines with them, and older Freightliner machines with the standard horn. There may be some late 4 door locos with these horns, but I can't confirm. 

The 5 door locos are 66582 upwards, 623 upwards, 66951 upwards, 66718 - 779 (with a few exceptions), 66411 upwards and 66301-305

 

Jo

Wasn’t BR mandated to G flat and E flat as tones ?

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May well have done. I'm absolutely non musical, but various horns sound different, but appear to be a similar pitch. Compare an HST power car, class 56, 60 66 and low emission 66 for example. In my reckoning it's not the note that's different, but the actual sound. Like a trumpet and a guitar for play a G, but sound very different

 

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I dunno if it's already been posted herein, however there now appears to be a production sample online...

 

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Good to see that the revving up, even when just stabled is there. Frightened the hell out of me first time I was coupling one up and the loco started to rev - thought I was about to get squashed!

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10 hours ago, YesTor said:

I dunno if it's already been posted herein, however there now appears to be a production sample online...

 

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Shes looking gorgeous but just 39 short. No doubt me and Newbryford will soon be sorting that out!

Question now is: What's happening with GBRf orange/gold/yellow...

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Hi everyone,

 

I had missed the news of the extra liveries, but the Royal Scotsman liveried ones are very welcome. By complete chance saw 66743 heading North through Dunkeld earlier this year with the Scotsman and a year ago saw one of them top and tail with another GBRF loco on a set of auto ballasters.

 

For now I will be getting a pair of EWS/DB locos with sound as they will be very useful additions for Rannochs next show at Glasgow in Feb. The sample Bif had at St Andrews really does sound fantastic with the EM2 speaker and the loco ran faultlessly over my tight curves and point work. It even ran into the front siding which I don’t normally use and it didn’t stutter once which is very impressive.

 

With regards the compressor speed up I know Bif has tried to give the best functionality for everyone. He has put it on a Function as in the video so it can be controlled as you wish but also it’s able to be switched on and left so that it will come on randomly and run for 30 seconds before returning to normal. This was on an earlier 66 sound file and had changed on a slightly later version to a Function I got, but Bif kindly put it back on a later version for me so it kicked in automatically. It works really well as when you run a train into a loop and leave it idling or say on a depot it will kick in without that loco being under control and adds further interest while you are running another train.

 

Watching the video with Bif, Mick and Ben was really useful as we’ve not seen a British model with so

much light and sound functions to play with and I’ve learnt more about things like Radar Hiss too.

 

Will be looking forward to these.

 

Cheers

Mark

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4 hours ago, The Black Hat said:

 

Shes looking gorgeous but just 39 short. No doubt me and Newbryford will soon be sorting that out!

Question now is: What's happening with GBRf orange/gold/yellow...

 

As I mentioned earlier this week, 66705 in the video looks a lot more accurate in terms of orange. Who knows about the later models though.

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Putting things like radar hiss on a function is just a waste of a function.

they all do it when in direction so why not programme it so?

similar with the spirax valves, compressor ect.   
imo when using a system such as a powercab its a pain in the butt trying to make use of all these functions

 

Also, GBRF eurospec 66’s have TPWS4, which has a different startup chime and does a self test outloud,  which biff seems to have missed out.  Could have chucked that in the options too which would be good for the later built 66’s

 

 

 

it does sound nice though, and i may sound like im being picky but its just my opinion of course.

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1 hour ago, Erixtar1992 said:

Putting things like radar hiss on a function is just a waste of a function.

they all do it when in direction so why not programme it so?

similar with the spirax valves, compressor ect.   
imo when using a system such as a powercab its a pain in the butt trying to make use of all these functions

 

Also, GBRF eurospec 66’s have TPWS4, which has a different startup chime and does a self test outloud,  which biff seems to have missed out.  Could have chucked that in the options too which would be good for the later built 66’s

 

 

 

it does sound nice though, and i may sound like im being picky but its just my opinion of course.

 

I guess it’s all about choice and this way we all have the best of both worlds.

Also my DCC controller doesn’t have a neutral button!

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1 hour ago, Erixtar1992 said:

Putting things like radar hiss on a function is just a waste of a function.

they all do it when in direction so why not programme it so?

similar with the spirax valves, compressor ect.   
imo when using a system such as a powercab its a pain in the butt trying to make use of all these functions

 

Also, GBRF eurospec 66’s have TPWS4, which has a different startup chime and does a self test outloud,  which biff seems to have missed out.  Could have chucked that in the options too which would be good for the later built 66’s

 

 

 

it does sound nice though, and i may sound like im being picky but its just my opinion of course.

So you want less switchable functions & more options? Sounds like a no-win scenario for Biff.

When I saw the operating manual, I thought it looked fun to operate.

 

Functions are no problem with the PowerCab & even if they were, would you complain that a 10 year old car does not have some of the options which have since become more readily available? You would be more likely to buy a newer one which has all the features you want.

The manual can be a little over-detailed, but the information is there: Reprogram the option button to 122 & F10-28 become easy to get at.

EXPN will show you which functions are switched on.

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2 hours ago, Erixtar1992 said:

Putting things like radar hiss on a function is just a waste of a function.

they all do it when in direction so why not programme it so?

similar with the spirax valves, compressor ect.   
imo when using a system such as a powercab its a pain in the butt trying to make use of all these functions

 

Also, GBRF eurospec 66’s have TPWS4, which has a different startup chime and does a self test outloud,  which biff seems to have missed out.  Could have chucked that in the options too which would be good for the later built 66’s

 

 

 

it does sound nice though, and i may sound like im being picky but its just my opinion of course.


 

id be inclined to agree regards the radar hiss only coming on while moving but I have an old howes 66 that I asked Bryan to put the hiss on a Random function as it’s something that is characteristic on a 66 and sounds good going off quietly in the background now and again

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