Warren Branch

[KNP]

Excellent work, very tempted with the PW Brake...

[MrWolf]

I'll second that. It's been fascinating to see these wagons progress from an idea to reality.

[Gopher]

28 minutes ago, MrWolf said:

I'll second that. It's been fascinating to see these wagons progress from an idea to reality.

I'll third, fourth and fifth that - brilliant job on both wagons very tempted by the Loriot

[TrainMan2001]

2 hours ago, Gopher said:

I'll third, fourth and fifth that - brilliant job on both wagons very tempted by the Loriot

But I was going to fourth it...

 

In all seriousness, though, I think your wagons look great! I haven't been sure how I felt about 3D printed wagons for a long time, but yours really make me want to try a couple!

[chuffinghell]

10 hours ago, KNP said:

Excellent work, very tempted with the PW Brake...

Thank you, high praise indeed especially coming from yourself considering Little Muddle was, is and continues to provide the inspiration

 

4 hours ago, MrWolf said:

I'll second that. It's been fascinating to see these wagons progress from an idea to reality.

Thank you, progress is usually slow and can be quite annoying but I try and leave 24hrs between paint coats (more so withthe primer coats)

 

3 hours ago, Gopher said:

I'll third, fourth and fifth that - brilliant job on both wagons very tempted by the Loriot

Thank you, I chose the Loriot L because I quite liked the elegant sweeping curves and Also because it’s not available as a RTR or a kit

 

1 hour ago, TrainMan2001 said:

But I was going to fourth it...

 

In all seriousness, though, I think your wagons look great! I haven't been sure how I felt about 3D printed wagons for a long time, but yours really make me want to try a couple!

Thank you, They can prove challenging but I try to preempt any potential problems during the drawing stage.

 

The main two issues are the fact that the material can be quite delicate, especially on thin areas and the striation lines formed by the printing process.

 

I generally use an automotive filler primer first followed by sanding then repeating until I get it as smooth as possible, then a base coat primer and more sanding if required (using a fibreglass pencil works well in sanding difficult to reach areas)

[Bluemonkey presents....]

On 01/09/2020 at 18:27, chuffinghell said:

I loaded up my airbrush with a grey darker than I originally planned

 

Fantastic job on both the loriot and the load. They look the part especially when sited as you have done.

Just out of interest what paints do you use please? I had terrible trouble last night when trying to spray my cattle wagons with railmatch and could only manage four of them before having to completely strip the brush down due to blockages.

[chuffinghell]

15 minutes ago, Bluemonkey presents.... said:

 

Fantastic job on both the loriot and the load. They look the part especially when sited as you have done.

Just out of interest what paints do you use please? I had terrible trouble last night when trying to spray my cattle wagons with railmatch and could only manage four of them before having to completely strip the brush down due to blockages.

 

Thank you

I use Vallejo ‘Model Air’ acrylics mostly because I can use them straight out of the bottle

 

For the weathering I use Railmatch acrylic but I’ve still not worked out the perfect thinner to paint ratio

[Bluemonkey presents....]

Thanks Chris. Those are the ones I usually use but have so many wagons already in Railmatch GWR grey I was a little worried about using another source. Do you mix your own shade or have you found a colour match please? I would presume one of the WW11 German grey would be close?

[MrWolf]

I found that what used to be known as "Panzer grey" , Humbrol no:67 was almost indiscernible from GWR freight grey once varnished and used that years ago when I couldn't get hold of railmatch. I suspect that the Vallejo is identical judging by the photos on here.

[Bluemonkey presents....]

Thank you MrWolf. I really like the Vallejo paints @Mikkel first got me hooked when I was painting up some GWR red wagons for a commission job. I dont have a shop nearby that stocks them so have to rely on computer representation of the colours.  

[57xx]

You have done a brilliant job with the Loriot, Chris! Really looks the part.

[chuffinghell]

For both the Brake van and Loriot I used Vallejo RLM42 Dark Grey 71.123 (Panzer grey 71.056 is similar)

 

It looks really dark at first but I've found it lightens up once the matt varnish goes on (but that might be because I put too much on?)

 

If you want something lighter there is Medium Gunship Grey 71.097

 

 

 

Edited September 4, 2020 by chuffinghell

[MrWolf]

56 minutes ago, Bluemonkey presents.... said:

Thank you MrWolf. I really like the Vallejo paints @Mikkel first got me hooked when I was painting up some GWR red wagons for a commission job. I dont have a shop nearby that stocks them so have to rely on computer representation of the colours.  

 

I could put up a photo later on of a railmatch painted wagon alongside a Humbrol painted wagon if that helps, but you're still looking at it via a computer screen. That said, any difference in colour should be noticeable.

[57xx]

43 minutes ago, MrWolf said:

I found that what used to be known as "Panzer grey" , Humbrol no:67 was almost indiscernible from GWR freight grey once varnished and used that years ago when I couldn't get hold of railmatch. I suspect that the Vallejo is identical judging by the photos on here.

 

If you compare Humbrol 67 with the Phoenix Precision GWR Freight Grey which is supposed to be an accurate match to the real thing, you'll find H67 is lighter. However, this is not a Bad Thing. H67 is a great alternative colour, if you look through Atkins et al, you'll see there are lighter shades of grey that match it nicely (probably different works doing the painting), especially easy to see on opens with the black chalk panel paint on the top right of the wagon. There's a clear definition of the black and grey which comes out nicely using H67 as the main grey on a model. The PP grey is dark enough to make the black hard to discern.

 

This sort of answers Matt's query too, don't get too hung up on precise matching of the grey. Slight variations are good.

[57xx]

Forgot I also did this for my own reference when painting:

Edited September 5, 2020 by 57xx
Better version of pic

[chuffinghell]

On an episode of QI Bill Bailey sang the following lyrics to the tune of 'I can sing a rainbow'

 

Grey and grey and grey and grey,

Grey and grey and grey.

I can sing a woodlouse, sing a woodlouse.....

[chuffinghell]

1 hour ago, 57xx said:

Forgot I also did this for my own reference when painting:

 

That's very useful!

 

I did something similar, I bought five different shades of grey from the Vallejo Model Air range and made colour swatches by spraying each shade on a piece of plasticard followed by a coat of Vallejo matt varnish and compared them to my Bachmann rolling stock

 

However I found there are even colour variations between the different Bachmann wagons so in the end I went for RLM42 Dark Grey and ran with it

 

 

Edited September 4, 2020 by chuffinghell

[KNP]

I use Vallejo paints starting with London Grey and then varying with Black Grey or Light Grey depending on tone needed.
Sometimes I even mix the shades on individual planks to get an uneven worn look.

Not one of my wagons are the same shade and when mixing I have a relaxed approach to mix quantity to bring in further contrast.

 

[chuffinghell]

I would have thought it very difficult to get an exact match because the environment the wagon is working in affects the colour anyway (bleached by the sun, dirt, grime, dust, repairs etc)

 

[chuffinghell]

I’ve decided I need to turn my attention back to the layout, otherwise it will never get done

 

Stupidity I’ve been using the traverser/fiddleyard as an additional work space so it was looking a little untidy due to various spillages of paint/glue/weathering powder spoiling the finish 

 

 

 

It looks a bit rough at the moment but hopefully once sanded a little and a top coat put on it will look nearly as good as it was when I first built it

 

I've also painted the end of the board so it looks tidy when the end section is removed

 

I really need to stop messing about with rolling stock and pull my finger out

[Nile]

5 hours ago, chuffinghell said:

I really need to stop messing about with rolling stock and pull my finger out

You're not the only one with this problem.

[chuffinghell]

Well it looks better than it did this morning

 

 

 

I should get six tracks on there comfortably or possibly seven

 

I wish I’d made it differently to be honest but it is what it is

 

The grey has been painted on just the non-scenic area, hopefully it will make more sense as I progress

[chuffinghell]

A rough sketch to better explain what I'm trying to achieve

 

 

grey area is the non-scenic ‘off stage’ area

 

Edited September 5, 2020 by chuffinghell

[chuffinghell]

It’s just occurred to me that if I reduce the number of tracks to five there would be enough space between them to use Peco loco lifts which would make moving locos around a lot easier and maybe a little safer

 

Edited September 5, 2020 by chuffinghell

[Julia]

 

What radius are you using on that curve? do you have a straight section on the reverse curve? 

 

J