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15 hours ago, Jol Wilkinson said:

It is even possible that the superb finish of these model liveries will put people off trying  to build and paint their own models.

Society generally seems obsessed with minimising effort at the moment and expecting everything on a plate. If riding a scooter is seen as a marvellous idea to save you the effort of walking, I doubt many people are going to be bothering to learn modelling skills anyway!

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1 hour ago, Hal Nail said:

 

Society generally seems obsessed with minimising effort at the moment and expecting everything on a plate. If riding a scooter is seen as a marvellous idea to save you the effort of walking, I doubt many people are going to be bothering to learn modelling skills anyway!

 

It has been ever thus- when I was small "modelling skills" included winding your own motors and building your own transformers from bare wires upwards- what each generation sees as modelling skills are not the same skill set that the next generation sees. 

 

Oddly enough as I get older the idea of using a pavement scooter for longer distances seems more attractive- but not while I can still cover the range of one of these machines on foot....

 

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10 minutes ago, Les1952 said:

 

It has been ever thus- when I was small "modelling skills" included winding your own motors and building your own transformers from bare wires upwards- what each generation sees as modelling skills are not the same skill set that the next generation sees.

 

Les

 

Never did any motor winding or transformer building for modelling but I have done that for higher power devices.

I rewound the motor in a Wolf 350W electric drill and I also used to wind mains transformers to get the right secondary voltage for projects.

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1 hour ago, melmerby said:

Never did any motor winding or transformer building for modelling but I have done that for higher power devices.

I rewound the motor in a Wolf 350W electric drill and I also used to wind mains transformers to get the right secondary voltage for projects.

 

My father wound a transformer when we were given a 3-rail tinplate train set in  the fifties.  I remember the motor giving off a nasty smell after a while. I was only about 5 or 6 at the time so can't remember the make. It wasn't used after that and we reverted to clockwork.

 

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4 hours ago, Les1952 said:

 

It has been ever thus- when I was small "modelling skills" included winding your own motors and building your own transformers from bare wires upwards- what each generation sees as modelling skills are not the same skill set that the next generation sees. 

 

When I was small you had to wind up the motor if you wanted the train to go!

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On 07/06/2021 at 15:56, Jol Wilkinson said:

 

 

It is even possible that the superb finish of these  model liveries will put people off trying  to build and paint their own models. 

On the other hand, it may arouse interest in the LNWR and we may see an increase in the number of (ex-Ratio) Peco Parkside LNWR coach kits purchased and some may even get built and painted! Then they may progress on to brass kits and joining the LNWR society and before you know it you have the next generation of serious LNWR modellers pontificating on the livery rendition on the latest LNWResque RTR item.

Long may history repeat itself in our hobby!

 

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I think some people on this forum overlook an important reason why so many people buy RTR models and accept whatever defects they have. The reason is time. Even if I had the skills to build lots of suitable and more authentic SE&CR stock I doubt I would have the time. I'm grateful that through their genesis range Hattons have given me some rolling stock other than the Bachmann birdcages to complement my SE&CR locos. Please dont reopen the livery application debate again!

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28 minutes ago, Venator said:

I think some people on this forum overlook an important reason why so many people buy RTR models and accept whatever defects they have. The reason is time. Even if I had the skills to build lots of suitable and more authentic SE&CR stock I doubt I would have the time. I'm grateful that through their genesis range Hattons have given me some rolling stock other than the Bachmann birdcages to complement my SE&CR locos. Please dont reopen the livery application debate again!

 

I would agree.  When I first retired I put about half of the pre-retirement working hours each week into making my first exhibition layout, Furtwangen Ost.  I got it onto the exhibition circuit as a "finished" item in 5 months.  I also found a lot more time to sleep, visit friends and get a social life again.

 

Even as a "winding down" teacher in the last year before retiring I was working most nights towards 10pm and putting in Saturday and Sunday hours- and teachers aren't renowned for working the longest hours.  A friend in management was commuting daily at that time from Newark to Chelmsford and his boss in Chelmsford was commuting from Abingdon or thereabouts- maybe a little extreme but the world of work means time to sit down and model isn't easily available to many until retirement.

 

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1 hour ago, Venator said:

I think some people on this forum overlook an important reason why so many people buy RTR models and accept whatever defects they have. The reason is time. Even if I had the skills to build lots of suitable and more authentic SE&CR stock I doubt I would have the time. I'm grateful that through their genesis range Hattons have given me some rolling stock other than the Bachmann birdcages to complement my SE&CR locos. Please dont reopen the livery application debate again!

I’m spending a lot of time on my two layouts - where I am going for accuracy. The GC in the 50s and the L&B in the 30s (in fairness the latter is a plank set up rather than a full on layout before I sound greedy).

 

Then Rails announce a Precedent, one of my all-time favourites, I need something for it to pull while focused on getting the 50s and 30s right, and Hattons announce Genesis.

 

Frankly, I’m not bothered what the LNWR purists think* (not for a moment a criticism of their layouts), because I just want a quick solution for an LNWR ish train for one locomotive to pull while I concentrate my time and money on getting Northamptonshire in the 1950s as accurate as I can make it.

 

there’s (still) a whiff on this thread of criticism of the “lesser” modeller for taking short cuts, which seems to ignore the market of people without the time or money to do it properly, or indeed people spending their time and money doing something else properly…

 

*anymore than I worry that an LNWR modeller who happens to have a nice green J11 and wants some quick GC carriages to pull is queering my pitch. I think part of the issue is that what is being offered here is both flawed but in some ways better than even some of the better modellers are capable of (especially in terms of application) and so some people feel threatened.

 

Maybe I’ve got youth on my side at 40, but I’m enthusiastic about short cuts that help me, and see no conflict between those and the short cuts I won’t take where I want to be accurate.

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Having watched Jenny's video, I reckon the only people who aren't going to be delighted with these coaches will be those who plumped for the Hornby ones without waiting to see what Hatton's could do.

 

And Hornby, of course.:devil::girldevil:

 

I'm struggling to resist the urge to pre-order another half-dozen....

 

John

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I am glad to see several modellers citing time as the major constraint.

 

For me, that has been a limiting factor.  'Build your own' may be the ideal, but all too often it is not a practical solution where you lack the time to do so, which must include the time to acquire the skills to do so. 

 

As a result, I have very little finished and running.  My choice. An alternative choice is to compromise using the best fit RTR approximation and have something running. I don't think those choosing the latter option should feel judged. 

 

As Jenny's video shows, the quality, detail and finish of the Hattons coaches is superb and, IMHO, entirely predictably, significantly superior to the Hornby spoiler rivals. Every detail is superior on the Hattons, from gas lamp tops (with piping!) to the Mansell wheels. 

 

They are also very good representations of typical late Victorian coaching practice - prototype literate - as opposed to the educationally sub-normal Hornby versions.   

 

The video really does show these are quality models, whatever one thinks of the concept, and I think they will be the starting point for company-specific coach conversaions for the happy hackers, as well as beautiful OOB rakes for many modellers. At the price, they're cheap enough for bashing and bodging, and likely cheaper than a kit (if you kind find one) of your target prototype. Quite apart from other conversion ideas, I am seriously considering buying 6-wheelers just for the chassis!

 

Bravo Hattons!

 

 

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11 hours ago, Helmdon said:

I’m spending a lot of time on my two layouts - where I am going for accuracy. The GC in the 50s and the L&B in the 30s (in fairness the latter is a plank set up rather than a full on layout before I sound greedy).

 

 

there’s (still) a whiff on this thread of criticism of the “lesser” modeller for taking short cuts, which seems to ignore the market of people without the time or money to do it properly, or indeed people spending their time and money doing something else properly…

 

Maybe I’ve got youth on my side at 40, but I’m enthusiastic about short cuts that help me, and see no conflict between those and the short cuts I won’t take where I want to be accurate.

 

You are lucky at age 40 to have "a lot of time to spend". At 40 I had a full time teaching job, and a 10-year-old Mr Simon and 7-year old Mr-Simon's-sister, and to make ends meet my wife worked weekends so we shared the childcare.  Modelling was not quite nonexistent but was definitely on the back burner for at least another ten years.

 

I suspect the 40-year-old with time to do much modelling is a very rare person.  Our model railway club has three adults under 50 out of an adult membership of 30, plus 3 enthusiastic juniors we are very lucky to have.  

 

I hope that the Genesis coaches sell well to the time-stretched generation- they certainly deserve to.

 

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6 minutes ago, Edwardian said:

Quite apart from other conversion ideas, I am seriously considering buying 6-wheelers just for the chassis!

 

Bravo Hattons!

 

 

Preaching to the choir, there, Edwardian! :)

 

John

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15 minutes ago, Les1952 said:

 

You are lucky at age 40 to have "a lot of time to spend". At 40 I had a full time teaching job, and a 10-year-old Mr Simon and 7-year old Mr-Simon's-sister, and to make ends meet my wife worked weekends so we shared the childcare.  Modelling was not quite nonexistent but was definitely on the back burner for at least another ten years.

 

'Lot' is a relative concept - I've got a seven month old, a full time job and childcare responsibilities. 

 

However, given that she just about sleeps through the night, and goes to bed at 1900, I'm trying to get ahead on the modelling now so that when she's more active I'm closer to just running trains.

 

I've also, because I knew exactly what I wanted to do, been buying the stock, track, etc piecemeal for over 10 years now and storing it straight into cupboards/under the bed (so I've got quite a large collection now but it didn't cost me anything like what it would if I'd not been so obsessive),  so that when the stars align, as they have, and I had the space I could get on with it.

 

Anyway, sitting next to a baby monitor and watching Midsomer Murders on ITV3 while making a Parkside 16T mineral wagon is therapy...

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12 hours ago, Helmdon said:

I’m spending a lot of time on my two layouts - where I am going for accuracy. The GC in the 50s and the L&B in the 30s (in fairness the latter is a plank set up rather than a full on layout before I sound greedy).

 

Then Rails announce a Precedent, one of my all-time favourites, I need something for it to pull while focused on getting the 50s and 30s right, and Hattons announce Genesis.

 

Frankly, I’m not bothered what the LNWR purists think* (not for a moment a criticism of their layouts), because I just want a quick solution for an LNWR ish train for one locomotive to pull while I concentrate my time and money on getting Northamptonshire in the 1950s as accurate as I can make it.

 

Exactly where I'm at. I'm lucky these days if I get even an evening a week for modelling. I don't have a permanent modelling set-up, so I have to get everything out and put everything away at the end of the session, so that's even less time.

 

My period/region is East London in the late 50s/early 60s, but I have a handful of pre-Grouping liveried locos for no other reason than I think they're pretty. I just want rolling stock that looks "about right" to my uneducated eye.  I don't want to spend what could amount to months on a low-priority project. In the long run, I'd like to swap the generic stock out for something more accurate, but I'm happy for my Terrier to pootle along with a set of not-quite-Stroudleys in the meantime.

 

1 hour ago, Dunsignalling said:

Having watched Jenny's video, I reckon the only people who aren't going to be delighted with these coaches will be those who plumped for the Hornby ones without waiting to see what Hatton's could do.

 

And Hornby, of course.:devil::girldevil:

 

I'm struggling to resist the urge to pre-order another half-dozen....

 

John

I have a pair of Hornby 6-wheelers in BR livery to make up a (historically non-existent) workmen's train, and I'm planning to strengthen the rake with at least one Genesis in LNER brown. I want that mismatched look, to suggest that this train is not very highly regarded by the Powers that Be.

 

Indeed, I think the great strength of two ranges being available is that you can run coaches representing two different companies together and have them be visually more distinct than just the liveries. Ideal both for your shoestring light railway and your pre-Grouping main line.

 

30 minutes ago, Helmdon said:

'Lot' is a relative concept - I've got a seven month old, a full time job and childcare responsibilities. 

 

However, given that she just about sleeps through the night, and goes to bed at 1900

1900, eh? I can see why the Genesis coaches caught your eye.

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Only problem I can see is I was planning some repaints to represent vehicles in military use. It now seems a shame to cover the excellent finish on these models with paint. 

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29 minutes ago, PhilJ W said:

Only problem I can see is I was planning some repaints to represent vehicles in military use. It now seems a shame to cover the excellent finish on these models with paint. 

 

Choose the LNWR-liveried ones. The more of those that are taken out of circulation the happier the more fastidious LNWR enthusiasts will be!

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55 minutes ago, PhilJ W said:

Only problem I can see is I was planning some repaints to represent vehicles in military use. It now seems a shame to cover the excellent finish on these models with paint. 

You could hold out for the Longmoor Military Railway ones and say they've been transferred? Or the NCB ones are relatively plain.

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31 minutes ago, HonestTom said:

You could hold out for the Longmoor Military Railway ones and say they've been transferred? Or the NCB ones are relatively plain.

Not sure what livery they will be in. Might be army green which would be ideal, just maybe change the numbers, or the nice blue which would be more specific. I would like a few of each to go with my small collection of other military stock.

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15 hours ago, Venator said:

I think some people on this forum overlook an important reason why so many people buy RTR models and accept whatever defects they have. The reason is time. Even if I had the skills to build lots of suitable and more authentic SE&CR stock I doubt I would have the time. I'm grateful that through their genesis range Hattons have given me some rolling stock other than the Bachmann birdcages to complement my SE&CR locos. Please dont reopen the livery application debate again!

Exactly - time is limited for many of us - that's why I've been working on my current layout for 6 months already but haven't even built the baseboards yet. I'd have liked to model earlier periods, but having to build, paint and line all the stock and locos I'd need just isn't a practical proposition - wheras it's very tempting to get a short rake of these and a Terrier as a starting point, to add to later when I do have more time. 

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Why do we need to justify why we wish to purchase the coaches?  Cannot we buy them simply because they are to our liking and most likely far better than most of us are capable of matching.

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Couldn't resist . Ordered an LMS set with lights .

 

They look great models . That livery is fantastic . And part of me was happy to order from Hattons after their abominable treatment from Hornby . 

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11 hours ago, Helmdon said:

'Lot' is a relative concept - I've got a seven month old, a full time job and childcare responsibilities. 

 

However, given that she just about sleeps through the night, and goes to bed at 1900, I'm trying to get ahead on the modelling now so that when she's more active I'm closer to just running trains.

 

Anyway, sitting next to a baby monitor and watching Midsomer Murders on ITV3 while making a Parkside 16T mineral wagon is therapy...

 

There are very many who find 19.00 is well before the end of work time.  Commuters are still arriving in Newark (or were until Covid) at 8pm and 9pm, having set off at 6am and 7am.  I've been kicked out of remote marking at midnight when the system closed for the night, fortunately after Mr S and his sister had fled the nest...

 

As I said, modelling time is something not always easy to find.

 

Les

 

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