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9 minutes ago, ruggedpeak said:

Not scientific proof but I note that as someone who buys a reasonable number of D&E locos my experience is that some Bachmann and Hornby models have turned up either damaged (not clear if factory or delivery related) or in several cases had seven shades of wotsit kicked out of them (delivery related). However to date locos in the Dapol/Hattons style of of larger foam lined box have all arrived intact and working.

Certainly not scientific if you read the Hattons forum where a fair number of faulty Class 66 are being mentioned with bits fallen off, dropping off after arrival or simply missing.  

 

It it happens to all manufacturers - the models are delicate and over detailed not to have some damage in shipping from time to time. 

 

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5 minutes ago, GWRtrainman said:

Certainly not scientific if you read the Hattons forum where a fair number of faulty Class 66 are being mentioned with bits fallen off, dropping off after arrival or simply missing.  

 

It it happens to all manufacturers - the models are delicate and over detailed not to have some damage in shipping from time to time. 

 

I've had bits drop off my Hattons 66 but that was a factory/design/manufacturing fault, not delivery or packaging. I think these are 2 different things. If a bit is missing then I doubt it was lost in transit, that's a failure at the point of manufacturing.

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5 hours ago, wombatofludham said:

I wonder if Hornby will milk the post 1997 Class 87 tooling again and release the one-off freak celebrity liveries the class carried during their stay of execution with Virgin in 2005-6?  "Purple Ronnie", the "LNWR" black "ACORP" livery and the faux NSE "Back the Bid" locos were quite a regular turn on the London-Birmingham-Wolverhampton circuit after the final timetabled use by Virgin in May 2005 and would no doubt be popular with collectors as well as those who could find a use for them as models.  Plus it would boost sales of the Virgin Mk3s and DVTs.

More useful would be an Executive liveried 87 but do they make them with the TDM and MU boxes together as they ran from 1986 until 1992, or as the last few Executive liveried examples ran with the MU boxes removed during 1992-5?

with heljans 86404 in executive livery due I would like to see Hornby do the same livery (i think when the 87s had the repaint they all went over to a high speed pan except 87009 initially) with original MU jumpers and no high intensity headlight.   be great for double headers.....

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wonder if they can amalgamate the plug door mk3s with the older tooling or use the new plug version tooling but with old style swing doors?

 

maybe we might see a return of the Mk3 in executive Pullman livery with crests?   The old Lima versions were ok but are very dated now and the ends and roof vents were amongst other things poorly rendered for a mk3a.  also a new tooled mk3 sleeper for the same reasons again in executive inter-city sleeper branding.

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2 hours ago, ruggedpeak said:

I've had bits drop off my Hattons 66 but that was a factory/design/manufacturing fault, not delivery or packaging. I think these are 2 different things. If a bit is missing then I doubt it was lost in transit, that's a failure at the point of manufacturing.

Should have bought a Hornby 66, there aren't any bit to fall off.:jester:

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5 hours ago, miles73128 said:

Hhhhmmmmm, well that’s chucking a Gauntlet......

 

i’ll Bite. New A3 . Wouldn’t surprise me 

 

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My guess is a brand new tooling Stanier 8F as the previous Hornby incarnation hasn't been available in the range for a couple of years.

 

On 30/12/2019 at 10:57, railroadbill said:

 

 

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6 hours ago, EdChap said:

Saw this on Facebook. Your thoughts.....

 

 

 

 

He’s going to do away with the yellow and make the boxes all red?

He’s not going to produce any new rolling stock at all?

He’s going to stop selling through retailers?

He’s going to introduce a range of Olympic tat?

He’s going to produce an integrated road system in high detail 00?

He’s going to produce baseboards with all track and scenery in place at astronomical prices?

He’s going to introduce a new control system which makes all your trains collide when someone rings your mobile?

He’s going to put cameras in the cabs of all diesels and electrics?

He’s not … is he? … could he possibly? … might he just be thinking of locos with room for decoders?

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One product for 2020 could be  LSWR Warner brake vans in authentic LSWR and SR plain chocolate brown livery like the Bachmann pillbox SR brake van.

 

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So in 2020, everything will be supplied out of the box.

 

This has 2 positive impacts:

1/ no more pollution from Hornby packaging

2/ no more box opening videos on Hornby products

 

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On 31/12/2019 at 15:04, Clearwater said:

Left field suggestion.  If I were Hornby, one option I’d consider would be building on my #1 brand in railways by adding a wooden railway range.  I appreciate it’s a crowded field already but the stuff sells.  It complements the “rail” / “train set” perception of the brand.  Interestingly, the gauge on most wooden railways is not dissimilar to oo.  I’d see parents buying it plus the grandparent for grandchildren market as well.  You’d think as a range it would be stockable by a wide range of stores and outlets and not just traditional model rail stores.
 

David

 

that is a good idea, but could one issue be if the buyers are not modellers, could it attract confusion between what is a normal Hornby train and what goes on wooden i.e. could some folk buy wooden expecting to run on normal 00 gauge track and vice versa. the branding would need to be clear

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I suspect it will be VR railways in some form or other and perhaps on-board cameras, plus a release of 'celebratory' models from the back catalogue, hopefully something like an AL1 and APT (OK, OK, I know these are my dream wishlist!) made to contemporary standards, and a smattering of new releases - hopefully (and I'm dreaming again) a 25kv EMU and the LNER blue-grey HST set in the super-detailed form - not holding my breath on that last one in particular given the recent blue-grey Railroad release, but it would fit with the overall celebration theme and Hornby were first to release an HST back in the 80s (or may even have been the late 70s?). 

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7 minutes ago, GordonC said:

 

that is a good idea, but could one issue be if the buyers are not modellers, could it attract confusion between what is a normal Hornby train and what goes on wooden i.e. could some folk buy wooden expecting to run on normal 00 gauge track and vice versa. the branding would need to be clear


Fair comments!  As with any 30 second idea, it needs real thought and development to handle potential issues.  I’m trying to think more strategically.  And by that I don’t mean producing a pink polka dot class 94b that’s ideal for my niche Pippa Penguin themed layout, I’m trying to look at what are the strengths of the brand, what capabilities (eg sales reps, design skills) and aspirations of where/who to sell to does the company have.  Hence you look at the core and see what else you could logically add on.  I think the VR stuff is a good idea but a crowded and expensive field to develop in.  You’ll get quickly overtaken and need lots of ongoing investment.  I wouldn’t do it.  I don’t think wooden trains has the same ongoing risks (the wooden trains my kids have are fundamentally the same as the ones I had 40 years ago though the range of what you get is larger!) albeit l agree with you that you’d need to think how the marketing works to support and augment your core brands.  Eg it wouldn’t be hard to make a wooden figure of 8 track and call it Wooden Scalextrix.  
 

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12 hours ago, Dunsignalling said:

Should have bought a Hornby 66, there aren't any bit to fall off.https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/emoticons/default_jester.gif

Yet to have bits fall off my Bachmann ones either!

 

The Hornby end of the 66 market is probably the one experiencing significant growth so from a business perspective it may be the place to be. There is clearly a parallel market in 66's emerging between the 'H's'! Hattons at one end and Hornby at other, with Bachmann squeezed in the middle.

 

With Accurascale doing the 37's it would be a good time for Hornby to resurrect their basic 37 in newer liveries.

 

I also think a less detailed but fully operational RHTT with hissing noise would be a big seller! And a GA Flirt set complete with bridge and exploding pantograph action.

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It sounds to me like they're planning to take advantage of the mainstream attention the hobby's been getting recently, perhaps looking at more beginner-oriented items and sets?

 

I'm guessing thinking outside of the box is a reference to simplified, more environmentally-friendly packaging, which to be honest is no bad thing.

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20 minutes ago, ruggedpeak said:

Yet to have bits fall off my Bachmann ones either!

 

The Hornby end of the 66 market is probably the one experiencing significant growth so from a business perspective it may be the place to be. There is clearly a parallel market in 66's emerging between the 'H's'! Hattons at one end and Hornby at other, with Bachmann squeezed in the middle.

 

With Accurascale doing the 37's it would be a good time for Hornby to resurrect their basic 37 in newer liveries.

 

I also think a less detailed but fully operational RHTT with hissing noise would be a big seller! And a GA Flirt set complete with bridge and exploding pantograph action.

 

Hornby might also re-run their Limby 47s in response to last year's Heljan's announcement of their newly re-tooled 47s

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29 minutes ago, HonestTom said:

It sounds to me like they're planning to take advantage of the mainstream attention the hobby's been getting recently, perhaps looking at more beginner-oriented items and sets?

 

I'm guessing thinking outside of the box is a reference to simplified, more environmentally-friendly packaging, which to be honest is no bad thing.

I'm not sure exactly how much simpler Hornby packaging (in most cases, one cardboard box, one vac-formed plastic insert) could be made without compromising the protection it affords the contents. Any improvement can only come from a change of insert/window material.  

 

The stuff already in existence has done what it has done and will only become a further environmental issue when/if disposed of.

 

I'd suggest most the boxes/inserts in which our trains arrive remain intact, either for storing the models or tucked away in the loft  just in case we decide to sell-on the original occupants.  I reckon all mine must add significantly to my roof insulation so can probably be regarded positively :bad:.  

 

John

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10 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

I reckon all mine must add significantly to my roof insulation so can probably be regarded positively https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/emoticons/default_bad.gif.  

I remember when my dad moved all the plastic poly boxes for our models to the loft in the 1980’s... my bedroom instantly became much warmer, that night.

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21 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

I'm not sure exactly how much simpler Hornby packaging (in most cases, one cardboard box, one vac-formed plastic insert) could be made without compromising the protection it affords the contents. Any improvement can only come from a change of insert/window material.  

 

The stuff already in existence has done what it has done and will only become a further environmental issue when/if disposed of.

 

I'd suggest most the boxes/inserts in which our trains arrive remain intact, either for storing the models or tucked away in the loft  just in case we decide to sell-on the original occupants.  I reckon all mine must add significantly to my roof insulation so can probably be regarded positively https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/emoticons/default_bad.gif.  

 

John

Maybe one of the Hornby team bought an item from the same eBay seller as me, Limby 47, loco wrapped in newspaper then brown paper, and sent through the post - arrived with not one bit of damage

 

That'll cut down their environmental impact!!!!

 

In the same delivery I received a new Dapol 121, from a retailer, which arrived in bits with no buffers (and a note in the box to say checked and tested!!!!)

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20 hours ago, EdChap said:

Saw this on Facebook. Your thoughts.....

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting. My prediction is some sort of virtual reality along the lines of being able to see a new loco/coach/wagon on your layout without it actually being there through the screen of a tablet or smartphone. A sort of virtual try before you buy. Been used in children’s toys for years.

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Just now, bart2day said:

Interesting. My prediction is some sort of virtual reality along the lines of being able to see a new product on your layout without it actually being there through the screen of a tablet or smartphone. A sort of virtual try before you buy. Been used in children’s toys for years.

 

How would it know where the track is? And if your layout is P4, would it virtually derail? ;-)

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On 13/11/2019 at 17:32, Phil Parker said:

How about the return of TT? You could tick the gold plated box too!

 

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-akXBz8qLvds/VWr9tp7w9eI/AAAAAAAABjc/M_H7ILL0NYg/s1600/Tri-ang+TT+Golden+Train+01.jpg

 

Put me down for a set!

 

Hi Phil,

 

You probably meant this with tongue in cheek but it could be a really bold move on Hornby's part.  TT seems a perfect combination of size. detail and durability.  I am an N gauge modeller but even I can see that TT offers that wee bit more.  TT models/system with DCC, sound and 21st century detail could prove very popular.  It would be require a significant investment though but Hornby would have the market to themselves.

 

Sadly, I don't believe Hornby have the financial reserves to do this yet even though Mr Kohler is a fan of TT.

 

Kind regards

 

Paddy

 

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I always thought that a 1/100th scale would be a way to go and can be easily tied in with model plane and military vehicle kits.

 

Unfortunately it is too late for me, far too much OO for me to want to convert and my aging eyesight is hinting O gauge would be a scale of choice to jump too!

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21 minutes ago, Paddy said:

You probably meant this with tongue in cheek but it could be a really bold move on Hornby's part.  TT seems a perfect combination of size. detail and durability.  I am an N gauge modeller but even I can see that TT offers that wee bit more.  TT models/system with DCC, sound and 21st century detail could prove very popular. 

 

I agree, TT would be a very interesting scale offering a sort of ideal compromise between the size benefits of OO with the space benefits of N (and similarly I feel S would be a better choice than O, offering that extra size/mass that makes things better than OO, but without the space issues that O has).

 

But...

 

21 minutes ago, Paddy said:

It would be require a significant investment though but Hornby would have the market to themselves.

 

Yes, it would be a significant investment - but it would be bad to have the market to themselves as it would reduce the odds of success.  Any such move (and I do feel it is very unlikely) would be better done with some communication to the competitors indicating that a move to offer something in TT was happening.  First, unlikely such a thing would remain a secret in China anyway, but secondly and more importantly modellers are more likely to buy into TT (or S, or any other scale change) if they can buy track from Peco and get a selection of models from more than one manufacturer - there is less perceived risk of abandonment of a new scale if multiple companies are pushing it as well as a greater variety of initial items without one company undertaking a significant financial burden.

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Hi Mdvale,

 

Have you seen the Corgi TT steam loco models?  They are stunning and something like this from Hornby would be great.  I could see TT working as a "toy" scale/gauge which is compatible with the high end models.  The play value from a TT set could be so much greater than OO given the space saving.  It would also need to be a total system i.e. track, buildings, rolling stock, locomotives etc.  Coming back to your point, some coordination with the likes of PECO etc. could prove a real bonus in getting the range established.

 

Sadly I fear such a bold move is likely to lead to more fragmentation of what is a relatively small market of British model railways.   It could be fun though!

 

As an N gauge modeller, I would love to see Hornby enter the market but common sense would suggest it would be better to do this as Arnold.  This would be one way of expanding the Arnold brand/business and sharing development costs of chassis, motors etc.  By all means stick "Arnold - A Hornby Company" on the packaging if that helps to sell.

 

As for O gauge, they have the Bassett Lowke brand - why not use this to enter that market but with a range of high detailed models.

 

We live in interesting times.

 

Kind regards

 

Paddy

 

 

 

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