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Steampunk Train Wars with drills and circular saws?  You'd need DCC, so that's another sale, and it would lead to a healthy replacement market for all the mangled losers.

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2 minutes ago, SouthernBlue80s said:

I model the 1980s

Surprised they do not do a class 31/4 and a few more blue class 56s. Perhaps 56036 in large logo.

I think these would sell well for them.

 

No a Hungarian liveried Class 56 will appeal to a much larger base & sell heaps more...sorry I can't help myself as this is too funny :jester:

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16 minutes ago, MarkSG said:

On the subject of Rocket, can anyone explain what the difference is between the regular range train pack version and the limited edition "Tri-ang" version? From the photos, they look much the same to me, the only difference is that with the latter you're paying an additional tenner for a retro-looking box and a certificate. Which seems a little pointless, to me.

 

Having said that, from my limited knowledge of the extreme end of the collector market (gleaned, if I'm honest, from watching James May on TV). a decent box is worth a lot more than a tenner. So maybe this one is a bargain!

Apparently the limited edition has different coach names, so if you were willing to have two Rockets you could make a six-coach train.

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5 hours ago, adb968008 said:

....DC Bluetooth App control i’m intrigued by... this could be the start of something big.

 

5 hours ago, Dunsignalling said:

...Not revolutionary, though, we've been using such a system (Blue Railways) for almost two years.


Nothing revolutionary about it.

It’s just normal analogue DC control of a layout, via an app and using individual layout section controllers.

There’s no individual control of trains and almost all, if not all, of the downsides of using DC, still pertain.

 

Now before I say any more, please note that from various quotes in this thread, it’s apparent that there is some confusion over...

BlueRail Trains (an American company) and

blueRailways ( a British company).

 

The former (BlueRail Trains) is a wireless digital control system that communicates directly with each individual loco or train.

There are no controllers nor any Command Station involved, other than the free control app that runs on a smartphone or tablet.

There are no line side boxes to buy.

Individual locos and trains are controlled wirelessly, direct from a smartphone or tablet, direct to the loco or train.

Power is via fixed voltage DC or DCC to the track, or with an adapter, on-board batteries.

It is now, in its 2nd generation form, fully compatible with DCC and DCC sound decoders. A known sound decoder manufacturer is shortly to launch DCC sound decoders with the Bluetooth receivers already built-in on board.

It could be seen as a form of progression beyond DCC.

 

The latter ( blueRailways) is wireless control of a bog standard DC layout.

There is no individual control of trains and it continues to “drive the track” and not the trains.

It requires proprietary trackside modules to be purchased and wired up.

It requires section switching etc.

There is almost no technological advancement here, other than being able to use a phone or tablet as a DC controller.


Hornby appear to have copied or licenced the blueRailways analogue system, or a similar product.

I personally can’t see it being of much use to diehard DC operators, but it might have some “kerbside appeal” if it’s included in trainsets.


Unfortunately, Hornby have had a very checkered record when it comes to adopting new technology, often backing blind alleys.

 

 

5 hours ago, adb968008 said:

It depends on price / features.

 

I looked at Bluerail..shrugged my shoulders.. Ive 000’s of locos and such a solution wouldn't fly at that price.

i’m also DC, not DCC.

 

This looks interesting in that it looks simple..and potentially extensible... i’m need to read the details.. but at under £30 this is interesting...

If they open the system, or at least are open to community feedback, they could go down a really interesting path here.


You are obviously aware of the difference.

What does this new Hornby product offer you?

 

6 hours ago, JohnR said:

APT? Wow. I want one. My lad will want one too. 

 

.....But that DC control app? That is, I think the most stunning announcement, though it may go under the radar of some on here. I expect it to be in train sets before long. 


I beg to differ. Nothing stunning.

Its as if Zanussi, AEG, Bosch et al, put all their combined efforts into using new technology........to recreate the scrubbing board and mangle.

 

5 hours ago, NIK said:

Hi John,

 

I though Blue Rail was control of locos directly by wireless.

 

The Hornby system is control of DC/accessory controllers by wireless, then wires to the tracks etc. Even less revolutionary perhaps.

 

Regards

 

Nick

 

Spot on.

 

 

5 hours ago, mdvle said:

 

I'm guessing that the sounds are in the app on the phone/tablet (much like the original Bluerail was) as there is no way to communicate with the engine beyond the simple voltage amount, so no way to add sound to a loco that isn't already sound equipped......

 

 

 

49 minutes ago, scottrains29 said:

......The new analogue control system is a surprise.
It seems like a step backwards when people want more functionality and control, the popularity of DCC and TTS shows this.

 

.....I suspect the launch of the analogue system is part of their retro celebration year.

 

 

That made me chuckle. Spot on though.

What a wasted opportunity. 
 

 

 

Ron

 

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Surprised there's no 47606 in the Limited Editions - it's an iconic model and like Smokey Joe would provide a cheaper collectors' item.

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15 pages of conjecture and nobody seems to notice or pass comment on this: There is not one new or newly re-tooled wagon of any kind for 2020

 

For me that's a huge miss. 

 

Paul A. 

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1 hour ago, TheSignalEngineer said:

The Coronation Scot RKs were a block of six, 30084-89,of the D1912 design specially prepared in blue livery for use in the train.They were taken from the lot built by Gloucester RCW in 1936/7

According to the caption of a picture of the Coronation Scot version in Jenkison and Essery's LMS Coaches - An  Illustrated History

   "The general service version showed no significant external differences except for the livery"

 

Hopefully Hornby will do a series of liveries covering their lifetime from 1936 to 1965. I could be tempted by Blood and Custard or BR Maroon.

 

Definitely- I reckon this is a particularly smart bit of work by Hornby- I'd be frankly amazed if we don't see the Coronation Scot releases followed up with the more 'workaday' LMS & BR livery variations for the same basic vehicles in next years catalogue and beyond. Even if you don't particularly want or need a 9-car named WCML express in a fancy livery, this is a useful boost to Hornby's core LMS/LMR coach range

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3 minutes ago, Ron Ron Ron said:

 


Nothing revolutionary about it.

It’s just normal analogue DC control of a layout, via an app and using individual layout section controllers.

There’s no individual control of trains and almost all, if not all, of the downsides of using DC, still pertain.

 

Now before I say any more, please note that from various quotes in this thread, it’s apparent that there is some confusion over...

BlueRail Trains (an American company) and

blueRailways ( a British company).

 

The former (BlueRail Trains) is a wireless digital control system that communicates directly with each individual loco or train.

There are no controllers nor any Command Station involved, other than the free control app that runs on a smartphone or tablet.

There are no line side boxes to buy.

Individual locos and trains are controlled wirelessly, direct from a smartphone or tablet, direct to the loco or train.

Power is via fixed voltage DC or DCC to the track, or with an adapter, on-board batteries.

It is now, in its 2nd generation form, fully compatible with DCC and DCC sound decoders. A known sound decoder manufacturer is shortly to launch DCC sound decoders with the Bluetooth receivers already built-in on board.

It could be seen as a form of progression beyond DCC.

 

The latter ( blueRailways) is wireless control of a bog standard DC layout.

There is no individual control of trains and it continues to “drive the track” and not the trains.

It requires proprietary trackside modules to be purchased and wired up.

It requires section switching etc.

There is almost no technological advancement here, other than being able to use a phone or tablet as a DC controller.


Hornby appear to have copied or licenced the blueRailways analogue system, or a similar product.

I personally can’t see it being of much use to diehard DC operators, but it might have some “kerbside appeal” if it’s included in trainsets.


Unfortunately, Hornby have had a very checkered record when it comes to adopting new technology, often backing blind alleys.

 

 


You are obviously aware of the difference.

What does this new Hornby product offer you?

 


I beg to differ. Nothing stunning.

Its as if Zanussi, AEG, Bosch et al, put all their combined efforts into using new technology........to recreate the scrubbing board and mangle.

 

 

Spot on.

 

 

 

 

 

That made me chuckle. Spot on though.

What a wasted opportunity. 
 

 

 

Ron

 

I tend to disagree with most of this. I think this will prove to be very popular. The ability to control a conventional DC layout with remote, wireless control will appeal to many. I have one friend, for instance who is already exited at the prospect of being able to walk around his very large layout without being hampered by a long lead hand held controller.

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32 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:

 There are one or two potential items of Western Region wagonry although I do wonder above the colour of the lettering and the 1964 style 'framed' 'XP' on the horsebox and yet again they've got the WR period colour of the Shunters' Truck and it's lettering wrong  - I'd best tip-off Islesy on that one in case there's time to alter it.  

 

Pictures of two ex GW horse boxes painted thus on p17 of David Larkin's "BR Parcels and Passenger Rated Stock" Vol 2, i.e. with the XP enclosed in a box but not the other writing.  One dated 1949 shows W403 (no suffix) and the other (undated) shows W425W.  The pictures are black & white so don't show the colour of the lettering.  If it was me, I'd paint the ends black.

 

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4 minutes ago, eldomtom2 said:

Surprised there's no 47606 in the Limited Editions - it's an iconic model and like Smokey Joe would provide a cheaper collectors' item.

 

That one surprised me as well- the two items I'd have expected to be a complete no-brainer given their history in the Hornby and Triang ranges were a Princess Elizabeth and a BR lined-black Jinty as 47606. 

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2 hours ago, JohnR said:

 

I'm sure I saw a slide which mentioned it as a when bought with offer, and a list of R numbers which qualified? Yet its not there - @AY Mod ?

 

You did; I removed it as it only related to retailers who were ordering the products at the trade event to take advantage of so it may have caused wider confusion.

 

The products were:
R3881, R3886, R3887, R3902, R3916, R3919, R3920, R3921, R3922, R3923, R3940, R3950, R3950A and R3951
 

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3 minutes ago, Denbridge said:

I tend to disagree with most of this. I think this will prove to be very popular. The ability to control a conventional DC layout with remote, wireless control will appeal to many. I have one friend, for instance who is already exited at the prospect of being able to walk around his very large layout without being hampered by a long lead hand held controller.


Agreed, it needs to be seen for what it is. I can’t disagree with the obvious technological advancement of blue rail however this will have its place as basically untethered DC.

 

DCC, as popular as it is, hasn’t conquered the world just yet. Plenty of DC users out there for this to benefit, and not all them of the older generation.

 

Not all those ‘cheap’ 66s will end up with decoders in them.

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5 minutes ago, Denbridge said:

I tend to disagree with most of this. I think this will prove to be very popular. The ability to control a conventional DC layout with remote, wireless control will appeal to many. I have one friend, for instance who is already exited at the prospect of being able to walk around his very large layout without being hampered by a long lead hand held controller.

Hi,

 

I think it only allows a maximum of 12 points or other accessories.

 

I haven't found a mention of whether it can cope with trains being driven from one track to another.

 

Regards 

 

Nick

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27 minutes ago, classy52 said:

 

Maybe Hornby think that anyone who watched Amazon's 'Carnival Row' want Steampunk trains to play with ready for Season 2...if they ever make it :jester:

 

See that's completely flown over my head , probably demonstrating the point

 

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16 minutes ago, 1whitemoor said:

15 pages of conjecture and nobody seems to notice or pass comment on this: There is not one new or newly re-tooled wagon of any kind for 2020

 

For me that's a huge miss. 

 

Paul A. 


There’s probably not enough mazak and plastic left in China for anything else!

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From a Hornby survival point of view this looks like a serious gamble on the Collectors market, don't you think?

 

Apart from the collectors items there's a lot of odd-ball stuff which some people are very excited about but may have a rather restricted market.

It will probably sell OK provided they don't make too much of any one item.

 

But there's not a huge amount of bread-and-butter items for the lowly occasional part-time hobby modeller like so many of us.

Fair enough, you could say there is plenty already on the market, especially the nearly-new market to keep us going,

 

This feels like Hornby is taking a risk here.  If it works it could set them back on the road to financial success.

But the collectors will need to bite seriously deeply this year for that to happen.

Hope they are right.

Fingers crossed for Hornby in 2020.

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12 minutes ago, Denbridge said:

I tend to disagree with most of this. I think this will prove to be very popular. The ability to control a conventional DC layout with remote, wireless control will appeal to many. I have one friend, for instance who is already exited at the prospect of being able to walk around his very large layout without being hampered by a long lead hand held controller.


Wireless handsets for DC.

That’s great, but how big is the market for that?
I still think they’ve missed a trick here.

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53 minutes ago, MarkSG said:

On the subject of Rocket, can anyone explain what the difference is between the regular range train pack version and the limited edition "Tri-ang" version? From the photos, they look much the same to me, the only difference is that with the latter you're paying an additional tenner for a retro-looking box and a certificate. Which seems a little pointless, to me.

 

Having said that, from my limited knowledge of the extreme end of the collector market (gleaned, if I'm honest, from watching James May on TV). a decent box is worth a lot more than a tenner. So maybe this one is a bargain!

 

 I think it is the box , but I have gone for it as I remember the Tri-ang boxes of old . Hopefully I'll get the same excitement and joy opening this one up

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43 minutes ago, SouthernBlue80s said:

I model the 1980s

Surprised they do not do a class 31/4 and a few more blue class 56s. Perhaps 56036 in large logo.

I think these would sell well for them.

A blue 31/4 with central or offset headlight or no headlight at all would sell extremely well. It’s a mystery how one hasn’t been produced. They have the tooling for the headlight versions. Its a no brainier. Just like the Br Blue class 56’s. 3 have been produced in the super detailed incarnation. 013, 082 and 083. All sell for big money on that internet auction site. A Br Blue large logo super detailed 56 is even rarer. Only 56084 has been produced. This also goes for good money. Was hoping for one of these to go with the soon to arrive Accurascale Cawood PFA’s. A classic combination! 
 All the above are open goals for Hornby. They can’t miss. But for years now, unbelievably they have.
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2 minutes ago, Legend said:

 

 I think it is the box , but I have gone for it as I remember the Tri-ang boxes of old . Hopefully I'll get the same excitement and joy opening this one up

Different coach names a limited edition certificate plus a chance to win a seat in the main line pullman anniversary train.

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44 minutes ago, Legend said:

 But if not , shouldn't it be HO ?     Also puzzled by this choice . Did it run in UK in this colour scheme ? While he has gone off on one , now the dust is settling on the new announcements I can sort of see where Denbridge is  coming from . Its not a balanced range . However I think what he is underestimating is the strength of the grey pound . People will buy tinplate trains because its Hornby and a Collectors Issue . I've just bought a Rocket presentation set , so I suppose I'm the greyish pound .  And frankly there's a lot in there to interest me, especially an APT launched in a logical manner of models and not the make it up on back of envelope approach .  I think also that Hornby maybe have got stung making black 0-6-0s that sit on shelf and as I predicted have gone back to large steamers . I had though an A4 fronted P2 so I got that bit wrong . I do wonder at the choice of Thompson Pacifics . There will be some that need them for their East Coast fleet but these must be relatively few and they are not exactly graceful looking models that will fire the imagination of the casual modeller , in the way that Stephensons Rocket does .

 

 

 

I suspect this year was never going to see a 'balanced' range, and with the anniversary we were always going to get a lot of 'glamour' items like Rocket, 'Hush-Hush', APT etc. at the expense of more 'bread and butter' new releases. This year is maybe more about hitting the collectors market with some fairly big-ticket showstoppers, some of which probably won't be reappearing in the range for a while, and more normal service will be resumed for the 2021 catalogue.

 

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Just now, Hymek17 said:

Is the APT the tooling 'lost' by DJ Models???? ;)

 

No it isn't. The model has been researched and designed from within Hornby - and I wasn't the first person to ask!

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