RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) Having done a cut and shut BFK from Bachmann coach sides am now moving on to replacement etched brass sides.... another BFK, an RF and an RBK all using Bachmann Mk1s as donors. Thanks @billbedford How have others done these please - Complete replacement of existing sides or mounted the etches on to the sides? Got to source other components... the Frogmore door hinges look good, any other recommendations please? Cheers Phil Edited January 31, 2021 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted September 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 15, 2020 Oohhh https://mousa-models.co.uk/product-category/4mm/4-coaches/coach_sides/br-coach_sides/ Done similar on Lima, Trimmed the sides down and sand them. I think total replacement is most common on Bachmann Vents MJT are good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted September 18, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2020 This is how Larry Goddard does it, and my intention was to follow him, removing the whole side: http://www.westernthunder.co.uk/index.php?threads/lner-constituent-coaches.7602/ The hinges are good, yes - drill 0.5mm for the locating spigot. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted September 18, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2020 The frogmore ones? I think I shall have to get some Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 18, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Daddyman said: This is how Larry Goddard does it, and my intention was to follow him, removing the whole side: http://www.westernthunder.co.uk/index.php?threads/lner-constituent-coaches.7602/ The hinges are good, yes - drill 0.5mm for the locating spigot. A very useful link many thanks 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 6, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 18/09/2020 at 08:52, Daddyman said: This is how Larry Goddard does it, and my intention was to follow him, removing the whole side: http://www.westernthunder.co.uk/index.php?threads/lner-constituent-coaches.7602/ The hinges are good, yes - drill 0.5mm for the locating spigot. Cheers As there will be quite a bit of handling....exhibition layout stock...am going to try sticking them on to Bachmann sides. On an initial look they will still be within the roof gutter so should not be too over width.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 6, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) Diagram 17 RF is first to run in the Newton Abbot - Newton le Willows motorail. A blue grey CK was lurking in the projects box so that became the donor victim. The construction of Bachmann MK1s lends itself well to this process ....it can be broken down in to roof, sides and floor/ends. The sides have had all raised details removed and the first one has had the window apertures opened up to align with the Mousa models side....Bachmann and Bill used the same measuring tape, dimensions all align nicely. Planning on fitting hinges and door stops then painting before adding door and grab handles which were bare metal. Glazing to go inside the etched sides , as they are so thin the hassle of flush glazing might be avoided. Roof to be redone too....no more ribs in this restaurant! Edited October 6, 2020 by Phil Bullock 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 6, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) The moment came to test my sanity and attach the side.... Decided best plan was to reassemble sides roof and floor to keep all square. Put masking tape in at top and bottom of side in case of glue ooze. Rolled some tumble home in to the etch using SWMBOs rolling pin...,, And applied super glue gel generously to coach side before offering up etch using roof gutter and ends for alignment. Rather pleased with how the etch has gone on... and managed to avoid sticking myself to assembly, just a bit of glue on surface of etch but nowt that won’t polish off. Now for the other side.... Edited October 6, 2020 by Phil Bullock 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 6, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 6, 2020 Looking at end on photo a touch of glue needed on lower corner..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Evostik is usually the glue to use. Beware extremes of temperature as the brass and plastic will expand at different rates and may result in fracturing the super glued joint. Evostik has a bit more give in it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Phil Bullock said: Looking at end on photo a touch of glue needed on lower corner..... Phil, I would try and get a little more of a curve into the second side - that will help the top and bottom corners conform to the profile of the donor coach. I have fitted Comet etched sides to a good many donor coaches; I was not initially happy with the increased width as a result of applying the etch over the moulded side. My standard practice now is to remove the entire sides between the inner faces of the end mouldings. I then file the edges of the ends to remove the thickness of the etched sides. In order to locate the etches and provide a strong bond, I glue a strip of plastic section along the eaves, under the gutter. The lower edge of the etched side can also be strengthened / stiffened by soldering a strip of brass to the inside, in order to bring the thickness of the new sides up to that of the original plastic side. In this way, the re-sided coach ends up exactly the same width as the original donor coach. A little more work but, IMHO, well worth it. John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 6, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, MikeTrice said: Evostik is usually the glue to use. Beware extremes of temperature as the brass and plastic will expand at different rates and may result in fracturing the super glued joint. Evostik has a bit more give in it. 1 hour ago, cctransuk said: Phil, I would try and get a little more of a curve into the second side - that will help the top and bottom corners conform to the profile of the donor coach. I have fitted Comet etched sides to a good many donor coaches; I was not initially happy with the increased width as a result of applying the etch over the moulded side. My standard practice now is to remove the entire sides between the inner faces of the end mouldings. I then file the edges of the ends to remove the thickness of the etched sides. In order to locate the etches and provide a strong bond, I glue a strip of plastic section along the eaves, under the gutter. The lower edge of the etched side can also be strengthened / stiffened by soldering a strip of brass to the inside, in order to bring the thickness of the new sides up to that of the original plastic side. In this way, the re-sided coach ends up exactly the same width as the original donor coach. A little more work but, IMHO, well worth it. John Isherwood. Many thanks Mike and John. Definitely on a learning curve here. Mike .... read the comments re both glues .. had the superglue to hand so went for it. The etches will also be pinned to the plastic by the yet to be added hinges, door and grab handles so I think it will have to go some for the glue bond to fail. Will report back and say you were right if it does..... John.... many thanks know you have done a few. First test shot here so forgive learning curve, confidence building here. Never resprayed a blue/grey so keen to get to that point, no point in making more work at this stage if I can’t get a decent finish. At least two more to come .... BFK and RKB ... and don’t forget on Abbotswood these pass the viewers at 1ft distance at a scale 60 mph.... Thanks again both Edited October 6, 2020 by Phil Bullock 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 46 minutes ago, Phil Bullock said: Never resprayed a blue/grey ... In my experience - years ago - getting the white lining to look straight / consistent is the challange. John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Phil Bullock said: Diagram 17 RF is first to run in the Newton Abbot - Newton le Willows motorail. A blue grey CK was lurking in the projects box so that became the donor victim. The construction of Bachmann MK1s lends itself well to this process ....it can be broken down in to roof, sides and floor/ends. The sides have had all raised details removed and the first one has had the window apertures opened up to align with the Mousa models side....Bachmann and Bill used the same measuring tape, dimensions all align nicely. Planning on fitting hinges and door stops then painting before adding door and grab handles which were bare metal. Glazing to go inside the etched sides , as they are so thin the hassle of flush glazing might be avoided. Roof to be redone too....no more ribs in this restaurant! Hi Phil Diagram 17 from a Lima cut and shut from a RB and CK. There is more than one way to peel a potato (a vegan version of the skinning a cat expression, we don't want to upset people do we). Now will I be brave enough to do a similar job on the new Hornby RB and a CK. I am always interested to see how other people have approached making stuff that has not yet been done by the RTR boys and girls. 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 6, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 6, 2020 Nice one Clive, am now on to looking at the roof and underfloor kit. Roof configuration for mine will be as built so everything on the CK roof has to come off.... vents, rain strips, filler and... ribs. under floor kit is harder to tie down..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted October 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 6, 2020 The famous Parkin book on MK1s useful also RF 325 was a Royal train vehicle for many a year so pictures of gas boxes and fridge vents and extra battery boxes fairly easy found. The Parkin supplement on back cover has a low lit RF in Maroon showing 4 gas bottles on kitchen side and how vents sit . All looking good and happy modelling! Robert 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 6, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) So decided to avoid 325 and go for 324.... there were not that many that hadn’t been converted to other diagrams by 1970 but 324 was a blue/grey dual heat VB vehicle riding on commonwealths so probably not altered much from as built. Will do roof vents as per as built diagram .... @Robert Shrivesthanks for that, have the main book which doesn’t have a lot... but don’t have the supplment. Edited October 6, 2020 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 8, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2020 Here’s yesterday’s progress with sides attached and roof stripped of detail and primed. Hunting for the underframe detailing.... have got sufficient Bachmann battery boxes but can anyone recommend a source of gas bottle cupboards please? 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
145 Squadron Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Southern Pride Models? Good source of all sorts of detail parts for Mk1's Tony 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 8, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) Cheers Tony ... but not the easiest for comms I guess. Any way have answered my own problem... photos suggest the underfloor gubbins on the RF is the same as the RU and I happen to have one of the original Bachmann maroon RUs sat in the spare coaches box - badly weathered - so will cannibalise that one. Can use the interior too..... Edited October 8, 2020 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2020 Gas boxes? What type? Do these look OK? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 8, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) Cheers @MJI those are the ones. Stripped some off an RU for the moment and have now asked Bacchy if they have any spares. Where did yours come from? Edited October 8, 2020 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Phil Bullock said: Cheers @MJI those are the ones. Stripped some off an RU for the moment and have now asked Bacchy if they have any spares. Where did yours come from? My own moulds, needed them for older RTR detailing, gave up hunting so made my own, not brilliant but look OK. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2020 Was trying to link to this 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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