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4 hours ago, LNER4479 said:

I also nominate Mr Bulleid's specifics.

 

If you want to be more specific than that then I have to say that a Merchant Navy in rebuilt form is a seriously awesome piece of kit. If that isn't allowed (on account of it being a comprehensive BR rebuild from 1956 onwards) then just Bulleid specifics. There was quite a bit of the originals left despite all that rebuilding and that boiler is an awesome steam raiser, thermic siphons et al. Nice sounding whistle as well.

I think you should be a bit more specific...

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Class V, 'Schools' please.
I had a good look at the middle valve gear a few years ago, and couldn't see what all the fuss on other Railways was about.
(Must try and find the pictures.)
Driving onto the leading axle does help.
I hope we can see 'Morayshire' again soon.

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32 minutes ago, great northern said:

... and a cloud slides over the sun, just as the photographer presses the shutter.

 

Most realistic ...

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Schools class won the poll with 8 votes to 7 for the Bulleid Pacifics.

 

Which brings us to the search for the overall best locomotive design of the LMS. Qualifying CMEs are Hughes, Fowler,Lemon,Stanier, Fairburn and H G Ivatt. I don't know if any of those did any designs for overseas railways, but if they did, they don't qualify. Now try to wriggle your way out of that one. Some of you will, I just know you will.

 

However, our most regular offender will be unable to do so for at least part of the day, as I shall have him under surveillance. Clive, Steve 31A, the Mighty duck of Retford and I will be meeting up in just over an hours time, outside of course. Been looking forward to that for ages. Perhaps near normality really is on the horizon.

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2 minutes ago, great northern said:

Which brings us to the search for the overall best locomotive design of the LMS. Qualifying CMEs are Hughes, Fowler,Lemon,Stanier, Fairburn and H G Ivatt. I don't know if any of those did any designs for overseas railways, but if they did, they don't qualify. Now try to wriggle your way out of that one. Some of you will, I just know you will.

 

 

In which case, just got to be:

 

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14 minutes ago, LNER4479 said:

 

In which case, just got to be:

 

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Wot he said!  Without a shadow of doubt the best design from the LMS. 

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I’m not an expert on the LMS, but while the Duchesses maybe the ‘sexiest’, surely the Black 5 and 8F were the ‘best’ measured in terms of success and fitness for purpose? 
 

I’ll go Black 5.

 

Andy

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Too few Duchess/Coronations so their contribution to the LMS overall was limited. For me, it has to be the Black Five or 8F 2-8-0.  As the 8F was chosen by the MoS during the war and built by other railways, it gets my nomination.

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1 hour ago, thegreenhowards said:

I’m not an expert on the LMS, but while the Duchesses maybe the ‘sexiest’, surely the Black 5 and 8F were the ‘best’ measured in terms of success and fitness for purpose? 
 

I’ll go Black 5.

 

Andy

And I wouldn't disagree in any way if the Black 5 came out top.

 

But!

 

Just to say that, although unashamedly my favourite loco of all time, my nomination of the Duchess is not really due to it being the 'sexiest'. Interestingly, in your citing of  'success' and 'fitness for purpose' as criteria for 'best', I would argue that the Duchess design scores high on both. They were undoubtedly a 'success' and in terms of 'fitness for purpose', they had a very specific purpose - to take 550 ton trains unaided over the northern banks. And that is exactly what they did! It's often forgotten that much of their work was done at night time on the heavy overnight sleeper trains, rarely recorded or photographed. In doing the research for my 'Hills of the North' project, I hadn't realised just how many such trains there were. Something like eight Scottish departures alone from Euston throughout the evening, most of which were allocated to a Duchess, with a further member of the class typically taking over at either Crewe or Carlisle. With some of those turns being two day workings, you've easily got half the class tied up on such trains.

 

Small, niche class? Possibly. Best in terms of success and fitness for purpose? Absolutely! 

 

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Must be the 8F 2-8-0. Built by LMS, LNER, SR, GWR. Used all over this country, North Africa, Middle East & Turkey. Also the best looking 2-8-0. Would have been the best looking heavy freight loco were it not for the 9F. Roger.

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There are a number of strong candidates but I'm going with the Black 5.

 

David

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Another vote for the Black 5 4-6-0. Despite the graneur of the Duchesses, it was the 842 go anywhere, do anything 4-6-0s that really made the railway tick.

 

The 8F 2-8-0s were also pretty impressive - but not the best looking 2-8-0, that accolade is reserved for Mr Churchward's 47xx class (with 5ft 8inch drivers) on another railway!

 

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Chris H

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Ivatt class 2 tanks. Modern engines far superior to anything previously designed for the work they were employed on , economical to run easy to service and maintain , comfortable and ergonomic  for the crews ( whose opinions were sought at design stage) very wide route availability, 70-75 mph on test with no vibration , and could work for 15 hours without servicing.

 

 A Cinderella loco perhaps but a very successful design . Gets my vote.

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I am going for the very successful but not glamorous class 4 passenger tanks. The Fowler version soldiered on almost to the end of steam, the Stanier 2 cylinder and the Fairburn versions almost saw steam's farewell. Stanier's 3 cylinder locos as I have stated before possibly got more passengers safely to their destinations on a daily basis than the Coronation Princess class did. Ivatt's WT class of the NCC, later NIR lasted even longer.

 

As it such a hard choice I will go for the tender version the Northern Counties Committee W class 2-6-0, very successful and useful. The NCC is a British railway as it is within the borders of the UK of GB and NI, and was owned by the LMS.  A version for the main system on the island of Great Britain would have equally successful, but with so many Crabs and later Black Fives there did not appear to be a need for a loco that would do the same work despite how good the tank versions were.

 

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