andyman7 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Yes, I wasn't suggesting that there weren't plenty of uses for them! I was using the southern half of the WCML daily in the 1980s and it might be better to say that they appeared on most workings regularly except the class 1 express services, and would substitute on those if required. Also, as you say, back in the days of loco changes they would often cover the XC trains 'under the wires' . That pretty much gives an excuse for anything.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 They have missed the cowls over the horn grills on the bufferbeam though... Andi This was a detail picked up on almost a year ago. An etch may be made available unless Bachmann add 4 cowls into the detailing pack for retro fitting because of course from new youll know they didnt have them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartb Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Going by Bachmann web site AL5 has been put back to May/June from March/April Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 26, 2012 Author Share Posted March 26, 2012 some shots of the early version at Ally pally. Mike 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted March 26, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2012 Is it me or has the early version in the pics ^^^ got the reinforced drivers windscreen? This was a later addition and while I'm pleased that Bachmann have got it right for the later versions this version shouldn't have it. Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 (edited) with my eyesight they all look exactly the same. which pic shows it up best then? i am still trying to figure out how Bachmann came to the decision to fit a 00 gauge figure of TellyTubby "Po" in the drivers seat. Edited March 26, 2012 by ThaneofFife Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEngineShed Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Is it me or has the early version in the pics ^^^ got the reinforced drivers windscreen? This was a later addition and while I'm pleased that Bachmann have got it right for the later versions this version shouldn't have it. How do you tell the difference? All the Bachmann windscreens look thick and reinforced to me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted March 27, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) It is hard to tell, the difference is subtle, but it looks as if there is more frame under the drivers window than the secondmans, particularly on the third photo that Michael has posted. Also in the first photo it is clear that the bottom of the drivers window is higher than that of the centre window. As built the bottom of all three should match. I hope I'm wrong... Edited March 27, 2012 by Dagworth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) I can just about make out a smidgen of a difference in height but I am struggling to convince myself its there at all. Its like when my GP told me last week that I had a hernia "it was so small as to be insignificant". I reckon its the camera possibly causing a trick on us as the cab front is mildly curved (side to side) and from certain angles it can appear that the drivers window has a touch more frame at the bottom. Its the same on the other side but less obvious as its a slightly different angle of shot. However who thinks the centre window looks a touch higher than the ones on either side? Its probably less obvious on BR blue versions but on this electric blue version with the white paint it does seem to go higher up. see pics 1,3 and 4. ....and finally in the last pic. is that insulator next to the pantograph nearest the camera supposed to be that large? Edited March 27, 2012 by ThaneofFife Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 i can just make that out when zoomed right in and look carefully for it, bare in mind the photos on your pc screen are twice as large or more than the model is, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 ....and finally in the last pic. is that insulator next to the pantograph nearest the camera supposed to be that large? I suspect that it is in fact the circuit breaker rather than an insulator as such, so its probably about right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Cheese Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 with my eyesight they all look exactly the same. which pic shows it up best then? i am still trying to figure out how Bachmann came to the decision to fit a 00 gauge figure of TellyTubby "Po" in the drivers seat. I initially thought it looked as though the crew were midgets wearing balaclavas... As for the Telly Tubby observation, I think you may be thinking of Tinky Winky as I'm sure Po was red in hue? All of which doesn't help me decide which one of these to buy, the early AC blue version is looking favourite at present as I've really got to limit myself to only one of these. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted March 27, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2012 I suspect that it is in fact the circuit breaker rather than an insulator as such, so its probably about right. It is the roof capacitor, and yes it should be that large. Andi 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Piszczek Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 It is the roof capacitor, and yes it should be that large. We are supposed to snip the Bachy capacitors off when we fit DCC, correct? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 31, 2012 Author Share Posted March 31, 2012 some nice prototype shots.. Carlisle by Kerry Parker (KP), on Flickr Low Gill by Kerry Parker (KP), on Flickr 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 It is hard to tell, the difference is subtle, but it looks as if there is more frame under the drivers window than the secondmans, particularly on the third photo that Michael has posted. Also in the first photo it is clear that the bottom of the drivers window is higher than that of the centre window. As built the bottom of all three should match. I hope I'm wrong... Andi, Take your pick on window sizes. 85003 Euston 85005 Crewe (cropped) 85109 Warrington (cropped) A couple of other shots which may be of interest. 85007,85030 Crewe 85011 Crewe HTH 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 well thanks for those photos Derek as they really are an eye opener. I see what Andi was talking about now with the reinforced frame. At least the centre window on the model is bang on then as it clearly should be taller than those either side - I previous thought they were all level. I never noticed before on the real things-photos like this really do help to avoid the blurring that your memory suffers from since the 1990s. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 My memory might be playing up, but can someone remind me, IIRC the 1st gen ac electrics ETH was unable to provide ETH at high enough voltage for the mk3 coaches, so a 85 would be seen working any passinger train except mk3`s? Did this include the 85`s or not? Also, did this restriction acctually only apply when the ETH load exceeded a certain point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 The 85 in BR TOPS days could quite often be seen hauling many a train with Mk3s, sometimes full rakes as stand in for a 86 or 87. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) 85 with mk3 c.1982 - Liverpool Lime Street. by 53A Models, on Flickr Edited December 16, 2012 by Andy Y Image removed due to copyright dispute. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryHN Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 I have seen Class 85's with Mk3s on several occasions, With the about pic it seems a bit strange as the 1st class is at the non Euston end and most trains ran with a BG then the 1st class at the Euston end? Gary 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 (edited) Although I cant tell looking at the windows it is possible that vehicle was declassified to 2nd class, maybe on a weekend. A common practice during this period circa 1982. Also its not beyond the realms of possibility that the stock had to be reversed at Birmingham New Street or on the Soho circle if there was a blockage on. Failing that it does seem uncommon to not have 1st at the Euston end and barriered with a BG. We're getting some great photos of roarers just lately and this one at Lime Street is a really good B&W one. Edited April 6, 2012 by ThaneofFife Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 well thanks for those photos Derek as they really are an eye opener. I see what Andi was talking about now with the reinforced frame. At least the centre window on the model is bang on then as it clearly should be taller than those either side - I previous thought they were all level. I never noticed before on the real things-photos like this really do help to avoid the blurring that your memory suffers from since the 1990s. Would the drivers window be a thicker toughened glass requiring a different frame ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 I am not in the market for an 85, but have been looking through my pictures for scanning to put on Flickr, so, here are a few more of 85s on various duties in the 1980s 81009 and 85039 at Warrington Bank Quay with northbound SUKO tanks, 23/3/82 85036 at Bescot with a mixed freight of engineering equipment and ferrywagons, 26/3/82 85036 also at Bescot on the same day with a Freightliner service, 26/3/82 cheers 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 well i can see having the different frame (for those locos that received the new glass) might be important to some modellers but i doubt anyone would feel robbed if the thickness of the drivers pane wasnt shall we say........ "to scale". I'm all for detail but this wouldnt lose me any sleep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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