Bartb Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 (edited) Engineering sample of the SR pill box brake van are now on Bachmann web site. Edited December 8, 2011 by Mod4 Title edited 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted December 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2011 A link to the Bachmann engineering sample image and other information links about the 25t Pill Box Brake Van can be found on my blog here 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Bedding Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Thank you chaps for the advance warning. I don't think that there was any LSWR influence in the design of this prototype. However, operational circumstances took them in number to the Withered Arm, and so they became an Era 3/4 icon all over the Southern network, including the far-flung West. Perfect behind the N class mogul, just as good behind the Q1 and T9, at home in Padstow, and alongside a Gate-stock pair. The addition of this little gem is an essential step in the right direction for 4mm freight working, I shall be looking to place an order asap. PB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phatbob Posted December 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2011 As Moses famously said "I'll take ten". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Apart from the delicious possibility that they got the drawings in a mess when dealing with the door issues, why were the first batch left-handed with respect to duckets and the rest right-handed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted December 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2011 Better get on and finish my kit-built one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyHale76 Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Thank you chaps for the advance warning. I don't think that there was any LSWR influence in the design of this prototype. However, operational circumstances took them in number to the Withered Arm, and so they became an Era 3/4 icon all over the Southern network, including the far-flung West. Perfect behind the N class mogul, just as good behind the Q1 and T9, at home in Padstow, and alongside a Gate-stock pair. The addition of this little gem is an essential step in the right direction for 4mm freight working, I shall be looking to place an order asap. PB I believe these brake van were in fact based on a SECR brake van underframe and due to number actually they were widespread on the Southern Region. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted December 7, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2011 (edited) A link to the Bachmann engineering sample image and other information links about the 25t Pill Box Brake Van can be found on my blog here £12.40 full RRP not to bad either for such a good looking, well needed model. Feel sorry for Cambrian though, but to be fair, it isn't one of his most accurate or easy to build kits. Edited December 7, 2011 by 2ManySpams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartb Posted December 7, 2011 Author Share Posted December 7, 2011 For anyone who wants to add it to a more modern era I saw this one at Broxbourne in the early 80's John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 In all fairness the Cambrian kit was improved and you can a list of the improvements made here; http://www.clag.org.uk/sr-brake.html Me, I'm looking forward to comparing my Cambrian homebrew with the Bachmann offering in due course. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 HI I think a few of these will be coming to Torrington! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Also used by the NCB at least into the seventies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Apart from the delicious possibility that they got the drawings in a mess when dealing with the door issues, why were the first batch left-handed with respect to duckets and the rest right-handed? Apparently, after the left-handers went into service it was discovered that if the guard was sat at the ducket lookout, the door blocked the guard in when opened, so subsequent batches were built right-handed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 The SR two are on an advance order at Hattons already. Another long wait in order. I am still not going to start the Cambrian kit sitting in the To-Be-Built drawer. I too hope Cambrian will suffer too much with the loss of this model to the RTR. They appear to be active with several 2012 new products. I hope the planned new LSWR Brake Van is a Diagram 1543 to complement the Wenfordbridge traffic with BWT's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 They escaped all over the system, and not simply after the SR went Vacuum brake. I have asked on various internet sites, without response, why they were in use in the Midlands (for example) by 1956 - they can be seen in photographs occasionally. My theory is that the higher tare 25Ton than other standard brake vans (20 Ton) was found useful. Photos here http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/srbrakevan Includes one from 1991. Some were also built for the MoD during WW2 and had long lives on their internal systems. Paul Bartlett Paul Bartlett 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyHale76 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I built one of the Cambrian model versions of this brake van, and it was minefield of variants which did not help when attempting to build. The instructions were as clear as mud but once i took the plundge and built it it was a nice model to have, then 2 weeks later Bachmann announced they were going to release the model and I thought oh well these things happen. I did use as reference a few photo I took of the West Somerset Railway brake Van, but I believe this one to be an ex MOD version and also the one at the Yeovil Railway centre. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyA Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 To expand on what Paul says, two lots each of 20 brake vans were built for the MoS in 1941/2. They were a modified version of the SR 25T van, the most noticeable difference being the two vacuum cylinders mounted on the end platform. 24 vans remained in the UK and 16 were sent to the Middle East and Persia. One van was seen at Quishon, Israel, in 1988 and may be preserved. Of the UK vans, many were modified in some manner by the army over the years and at least 10 went to preserved lines. Two were sold to BR (LMR) in 1949 and were numbered M360327 and M360328. One still exists at Longmoor Camp with a couple of other army wagons as part of FIBUA (Fighting In Built Up Areas) training ground. However, neither the wagons nor the track they stand on have any connection with the original Longmoor Military Railway. It is probably a vain hope but it would be nice if someone could produce a conversion kit to produce an MoS van from the Bachmann model. Finally, here is an example I photographed at Longmoor in August 1964. Tony 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted December 8, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 8, 2011 Yes please.... looking very promising. Can I politely ask the OP to correct the thread title to "brake" not "break" or it will be difficult to search for later when its off the front pages. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hale Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 There is one at MoD Bicester. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pushpull33 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I am looking forward to this. I also have one on order from Hattons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulleidnutter Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I hope we see an attachment for the air reservoirs on these as they are a very prominent feature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbishop Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I hope we see an attachment for the air reservoirs on these as they are a very prominent feature. I have a Cambrian kit part built, for Tony's Longmoor project. The problem is that I couldn't find find an exact match for the air reservoirs, and have purchased MJT component #3006. But does anyone know of a more accurate item? Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I have posted a few of the WW2 type for the Army at http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/modbrake [Also has some very strange small brake vans at RNAD Bedenham - the nearest I've ever seen to the very first Tri-ang brake van!] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartb Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) Can I politely ask the OP to correct the thread title to "brake" not "break" or it will be difficult to search for later when its off the front pages. SR 25t Pill Box brake van ? John The title was BRAKE not BREAK so I don't understand why you said it!!! Edited December 11, 2011 by Bartb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Can I politely ask the OP to correct the thread title to "brake" not "break" or it will be difficult to search for later when its off the front pages. Obviously the request has been met Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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