Black 5 Bear Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Considering they are supposed to be a sell out at Bachmann,why is it that many dealers throughout the country have stock of each model ??? Good discounts are already available and will now doubt get better as time goes on where the emphasis will be on shifting them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted September 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) I suspect the reason they are a sell out with Bachmann is that the retailers bought in quantity expecting a 'correct' model and so plenty of sales. When it arrived with its faults those sales evaporated, hence lots left on retailers' shelves. Edited September 7, 2015 by brushman47544 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted September 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2015 Would a Modified Hall in a post war GW livery really not sold well enough to warrant a release? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Would a Modified Hall in a post war GW livery really not sold well enough to warrant a release? There's no reason this wouldn't be a future release. The Modified Hall is a model that I would expect to be in the range for more than one year. Undoubtedly the BR liveries for this item would be the most popular choices. The bigger question is whether Bachmann will take their time to decide whether (in their mind, given the business issues) retooling to address the front-end issue is necessary and/or cost effective before announcing any more Modified Halls. Edited September 9, 2015 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted September 9, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2015 There's no reason this wouldn't be a future release. The Modified Hall is a model that I would expect to be in the range for more than one year. Undoubtedly the BR liveries for this item would be the most popular choices. The bigger question is whether Bachmann will take their time to decide whether (in their mind, given the business issues) retooling to address the front-end issue is necessary and/or cost effective before announcing any more Modified Halls. I very much doubt that this will happen. I believe this is for an alternative manufacturer to take up the challenge.We currently have a number of "fledglings " in the field...as yet unproven I know...but surely time for a fresh approach for this prototype to appear in 4mm guise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted September 9, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2015 I suspect the reason they are a sell out with Bachmann is that the retailers bought in quantity expecting a 'correct' model and so plenty of sales. When it arrived with its faults those sales evaporated, hence lots left on retailers' shelves. Is there evidence for that, or is it anecdotal? Lots of otherwise good models "sell out" at the manufacturer, but are still easily obtainable on model shop shelves for months and months. I can't believe a lot of modellers are all that bothered about the faults of the Hall, after all the reviews haven't been all that damning, if they've mentioned it at all, and it still looks like a Hall from most angles. Incidentally, when I spoke to the Bachmann guy at the stand fairly recently, he intimated that the other GWR models would be getting new chassis in due course, so we ought to get the Manors and Moguls eventually. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted September 9, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2015 Is there evidence for that, or is it anecdotal? Lots of otherwise good models "sell out" at the manufacturer, but are still easily obtainable on model shop shelves for months and months. I can't believe a lot of modellers are all that bothered about the faults of the Hall, after all the reviews haven't been all that damning, if they've mentioned it at all, and it still looks like a Hall from most angles. Incidentally, when I spoke to the Bachmann guy at the stand fairly recently, he intimated that the other GWR models would be getting new chassis in due course, so we ought to get the Manors and Moguls eventually. That means I will be receiving one posthumously.Great and reassuring news.Incidentally,it's not a Hall.From my angle,it isn't a Modified Hall either and I am bothered but I leave damnation to posterity.Apart from Richard Foster of Model Rail....praise be.....reviews have not noticed the error.I did. But far too late.Mea Culpa.Most angles with this particular model does not include the business end and two fatal blunders evidenced every working day during the 1950's from the London end of Cardiiff General with a Tyseley working,7929 being a frequent performer..Cardiff to Birmingham via Gloucester . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Two Modified Halls are on a shelf by my PC. I look at them every day and I have to move them in order to see Bachmann's mistake. I have read on here that some folk have very strong views on this fault, so much so that they will not buy one. And why not... it's their choice. I would just like to say that I have never come across a real locomotive with moulded handrails on cab and Tender or driving wheels with such large bosses that they resemble LNER wheels. Edited September 9, 2015 by coachmann 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleset Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 If anyone Is interested a zimo bass enhanced speaker with a decoder will pretty much drop straight into the tender. And its more than loud enough without drilling any holes. Runs perfectly fine right down to an almost crawl without adding any extra pickups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted January 28, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 28, 2017 i was at same event playing "tour guide".On the same subject i mentioned to one of the Bachmann team,that they corrected errors on the class 37.He smiled.So lets hope the Hall is rectified ..Then i will buy one. It won't be fixed, will it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted January 28, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2017 It won't be fixed, will it? Only by a Brassmasters kit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neal Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Notable that this doesn't feature in the 2017 range. Thumbing through the 192 page tome, you realise how much of a backlog Bachmann have. I had forgotten about the reengineered J39, and there is now no suggestion that the V2 will see a retooled body. N Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Andy W Posted January 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2017 Yes, there's a huge backlog of already announced models which haven't arrived yet. There's also a huge selection of tooling in Kader's storerooms which is brought out periodically to do re-runs, usually with different numbers and where applicable different liveries. But they don't offer every model they have tooling for every year, if they did there'd be no way the model trade could afford to stock it all, or have space to display it. So if by 2020 there's no sign of another run of Modified Halls we could consider the revamp a commercial failure. Until then it's just too soon to know, and after all we do want all those models from brand new tooling, don't we? There's only a fixed production capacity. The V2s - I can't say what appears in the printed catalogue as I gave up bothering with them (for any manufacturer) years ago. But Bachmann's on-line catalogue lists items 31-566 (V2 3645 LNER Black) and 31-567 (V2 60881 BR Green Late Crest) as forthcoming models. Are these not the retooled body versions, then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Notable that this doesn't feature in the 2017 range. Thumbing through the 192 page tome, you realise how much of a backlog Bachmann have. I had forgotten about the reengineered J39, and there is now no suggestion that the V2 will see a retooled body. N Bachmann have cleary stated the retooled V2 body is part of their current backlog. STATUS UPDATE – BRANCHLINE (OO SCALE) R & D (Barwell) Class 414 Parallel Boiler Royal Scot (DCC Chassis Upgrade) J39 0-6-0 (DCC Chassis Upgrade) V2 Class 2-6-2 (new body moulding) 94xx Pannier Tank taken from http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/118606-Bachmann-announce-midland-1p-class-203-bep-buffet-car-vea-prestwin-and-carflat/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Has anyone received there new modified hall yet I believe 6990 is available. Kind regards Neil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 On 13/05/2021 at 15:09, B15nac said: Has anyone received there new modified hall yet I believe 6990 is available. Kind regards Neil Yes, mine arrived today. The front end has been sorted out but I was surprised to see bright, shiny, silver coupling and connecting rods and slidebars. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 37 minutes ago, robertcwp said: Yes, mine arrived today. The front end has been sorted out but I was surprised to see bright, shiny, silver coupling and connecting rods and slidebars. Preserved condition though. I'm afraid the real one is like that. Not my video. Jason 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 29 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Preserved condition though. I'm afraid the real one is like that. Not my video. Jason It's near enough to BR condition for me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 3 hours ago, robertcwp said: Yes, mine arrived today. The front end has been sorted out but I was surprised to see bright, shiny, silver coupling and connecting rods and slidebars. Interesting. 6998 Burton Agnes Hall seems to have dull motion work. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted May 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2021 And a real one in everyday working back in 1963 (but not a Modified Hall, just the plain cooking variety). Look at the connecting rod - nice and clean although the coupling rods aren't so clean. and of course it's easy enough to 'dirty' nice clean rods on a model but not so easy to realistically go the other way. And before you ask it looked just that clean from other angles as well. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted May 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2021 Top marks to Bachmann for sorting the front end underneath the smokebox. Definitely looked totally wrong before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, Hilux5972 said: Top marks to Bachmann for sorting the front end underneath the smokebox. Definitely looked totally wrong before. Pity they left the DCC socket in the engine then - rather than cables and socket there to allow for better sound fitting. Sale lost. Edited May 17, 2021 by The Black Hat correcting error. cheers for heads up Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted May 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 17, 2021 3 hours ago, The Black Hat said: Pity they left the DCC socket in the tender then - rather than cables and socket there to allow for better sound fitting. Sale lost. You mean 'left the DCC Socket in the loco' rather than the tender I think. Agree its a real pain for DCC 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted May 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Hilux5972 said: Top marks to Bachmann for sorting the front end underneath the smokebox. Definitely looked totally wrong before. Well....nearly there anyway.Presumably in order to incorporate the front coupling socket,the signature front end of the 6959 class ....and by that I mean the front of the frame underneath the buffer beam.....isn’t included. Well,I notice it anyway.Maybe it’s absence doesn’t bother others.But sorry that spoils a good model for me. Edited May 17, 2021 by Ian Hargrave Spelling 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 The bogie front? It's included on the Brassmasters etch, but should be an easy job with a bit of brass or plastikard. http://www.brassmasters.co.uk/modified_hall.htm Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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