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Is the 4th vehicle behind 46141 an ex LMS bogie "Cream"  van? 

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2 hours ago, Barry O said:

Is the 4th vehicle behind 46141 an ex LMS bogie "Cream"  van? 

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I would reckon so, the windows give it away.

 

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Well is that or an empty bullion van.

 

Strange to see the cream van though. There was only two of them built so seeing one in a train is lucky perchance.

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4 minutes ago, Barry O said:

Well is that or an empty bullion van.

 

Strange to see the cream van though. There was only two of them built so seeing one in a train is lucky perchance.

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At least one of them lasted until the late 60's early 70's, so probably a useful van.

 

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On 31/12/2019 at 09:24, Barry O said:

Well is that or an empty bullion van.

 

Bullion?  Why would a special van be needed to transport French Beef Stew?

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On 31/12/2019 at 07:14, Barry O said:

Is the 4th vehicle behind 46141 an ex LMS bogie "Cream"  van? 

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I didn't think the cream van had roof vents

 Those 3 pairs are more like a 42ft GUV.

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no with a full picture window at each end!

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2 hours ago, Barry O said:

no with a full picture window at each end!

Are you talking about the train behind 46140 (top) or 46141 (middle)? 

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On 31/12/2019 at 07:14, Barry O said:

Is the 4th vehicle behind 46141 an ex LMS bogie "Cream"  van? 

Baz

 

4 hours ago, TheSignalEngineer said:

Are you talking about the train behind 46140 (top) or 46141 (middle)? 

I did identify which loco....and it is not a GUV...

 

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In order Gatwick, Southampton and Guildford.

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

First pic.

Second van.

Ferry van?

 

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Which set of pictures?

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It’s just a very shiny CCT, I think.

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On 15/01/2020 at 08:59, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

First pic.

Second van.

Ferry van?

 

Mike.

Hi Mike

 

I would go with it being a CCT, ferry vans had no windows.

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A shiny CCT is probably rarer than a ferry van :)

 

Cue pictures of full rakes of 'em :D

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47258 Sonning 9/8/77.

 

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Unidentified class 73, East Croydon May 1979.

 

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Unidentified class 31 Basingstoke  1980

 

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I'll wager that the Pullman car behind the 73 was probably readied for inclusion in a Derby Day Royal Train Formation. 1979 Derby was run on June 6th.

 

There are quite a few pics of Eastern region Pullman cars in such trains.

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2 hours ago, leopardml2341 said:

I'll wager that the Pullman car behind the 73 was probably readied for inclusion in a Derby Day Royal Train Formation. 1979 Derby was run on June 6th.

 

There are quite a few pics of Eastern region Pullman cars in such trains.

I am sure tat photo has been discussed in the past and the conclusion regarding the Pullman it was returning north after having work done on it at Preston Park.

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51 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said:

I am sure tat photo has been discussed in the past and the conclusion regarding the Pullman it was returning north after having work done on it at Preston Park.

 

Although isn't that train heading south?

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4 minutes ago, grahame said:

 

Although isn't that train heading south?

Yes. It's on the RVL, photographed from the roof of Essex House. 

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1 minute ago, Oldddudders said:

Yes. It's on the RVL, photographed from the roof of Essex House. 

 

Yep. And there's two clues in the pic. The lines through East Croydon run north-south and the shadows are short so it was taken middayish meaning the sun was due south. With the slight angle on the shadow from the bridge being the near side (to the foreground/photographer) indicating that is the north side of the bridge.

 

The clincher is I used to drive over the bridge twice a day. The white car on the right edge is under the entrance/exit barriers canopy to the multi storey car park where I had a season ticket. And the car park was on the west side of the line (although it has now been demolished).

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3 hours ago, leopardml2341 said:

I'll wager that the Pullman car behind the 73 was probably readied for inclusion in a Derby Day Royal Train Formation. 1979 Derby was run on June 6th.

 

There are quite a few pics of Eastern region Pullman cars in such trains.

As far as I know it was heading for Brighton as the Seagulls used it for the team transport attached to the main train. 

 

This is is my caption for the picture.....

Taken from the now demolished Essex House at Croydon, an unidentified class 73 heads south with the 1330 Bricklayers Arms to Brighton vans. A Mk1 Metro-Cammell Pullman car is the first vehicle behind the loco. This is believed to be E315 'Heron' enroute to Brighton to convey the football team to an away game
This part of Croydon has changed a lot over the years, looks quite nice here.

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